Originally Posted by Otterbox

..."It's not a career destination. It could be if they paid more."

Originally Posted by Otterbox

This is literally the advice I've received from every Atlas pilot I've talked to, prefaced by "It's not a career destination. It could be if they paid more."

Originally Posted by ftaba1

L...hiring mins are at 2000 TT. There will always be a long line of pilots wanting to work here... I'm sure Atlas has no shortage of applicants.

Originally Posted by ftaba1

...There will always be a long line of pilots wanting to work here...I'm sure Atlas has no shortage of applicants.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

Sigh... Simple math man....

So if you're taxed around 25% then you take the $1250 left over after taxes, union dues and insurance and to get an imputed income amount that equals $1250 you simply divide $1250 by .25 to represent 25%. To prove it work back. If you tax $5000 at 25% what do you get? $1250. So to eliminate $1250 in income you need $5000 in imputed income taxed at 25%.

In ANC over the Summer a last minute gateway from say Jacksonville to Anchorage probably costs over $1000. There are 60 day lines that may have 4 commutes a month. Hotels are probably over $200 a night down there where we stay, so if you're on Reserve that's as much as $3400 for hotels for 17 days... More if you need one Day 0 and Day 18. It can add up depending on how you're used.

In September I had $2500 in imputed income getting from the Southeast to Miami and spending about 7 nights in a MIA hotel. That's MIA with short flights. Gateway is NOT a free benefit. You pay about 25% to Uncle Sam for it AND the company will hold it over our heads as part of our compensation come time for negotiations... When ever that is...

Originally Posted by Davetastic

If you work here then you would know that taxable travel incurred in a given month is not imputed until 3 months later and divided into 2 pay periods. So, even if your math formula is correct, the $5000 of imputed income in one pay period that "your buddy" claimed he incurred would mean that in actuality he would have incurred $10,000 in one month of imputed income to make your claim of "zero take home" accurate which I think is total BS. I'm not calling you a liar, I'm calling "your buddy" a liar.

In your case, when you had $2500 of imputed income in one month, it was divided across two pay periods ($1250) three months later so you still have substantial take home pay(relatively speaking).

I was imputed a total of $2700 my first year and $1600 my second year. IN TOTAL.

Imputed income needs to go but it is hit and miss and most certainly not so exaggerated as "your buddy" claims.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

I've never hit anywhere close to that either and yes you're right it's divided into two periods so $10,000. That's entirely possible in the Summer in Anchorage to hit that if you have to commute up there a bunch of times and sit Reserve. I do realize that we get bulk deals on hotels but kayak has it at $360 a night plus taxes July 1st through the 19th. Sometimes you do actually sit R2. 18 times $360 is $6,480 just on the hotel. The old Hilton we use to stay at is $200 a night. Commuting up there isn't cheap in the Summer either and when you're junior you're likely to be on a split 60 line of R2 with multiple commutes.

Originally Posted by Tenacvols

You're not getting imputed for your hotel while sitting reserve, only for your gateway travel portion...

Originally Posted by ftaba1

Let me see: pay is better than regionals (FO at least and CA in a lot of places), Boeing type rating, heavy international time, hiring mins are at 2000 TT. There will always be a long line of pilots wanting to work here.
Plus, the contract is up for re-negotiation; and in all likelihood it can not be worse than the old one. So, in a few years this could be a much better place to work. I'm sure Atlas has no shortage of applicants.