Originally Posted by JohnBurke

Home basing only goes away if the union agrees to it; a contractual matter doesn't get nullified simply because the opposite side of the table makes an offer, and any tentative agreement must be ratified by the pilot body, first.

If one faces any opponent, whether in negotiations or on the battlefield, with the assumption that the opponent is formidable and cannot be defeated, then one has already lost; one has surrendered. Negotiating in any environment is back and forth. Ground already held isn't given up except by choice.

Your comments remind me of chicken little's falling sky. The sky is not actually falling. Any insinuation to the contrary is not fact, but suggestion. Offers and counteroffers.

I haven't a bone in this chicken, and from your comments, neither do you. You seem very concerned about someone else's dinner plate, so far as to be talking yourself and others out of the job. It's almost as if you want to do the negotiating. No doubt the Omni pilot group has a qualified team to negotiate on their behalf, and no doubt the negotiating committee keeps their members informed. As an outsider, I'd be out of my depth to argue here for or against, as are you. You're talking about steering people away based on your perceptions of a company where you don't work. Your previous comments since you interviewed last year indicate that you waited in a pool, and accepted employment elsewhere. Why the fixation?

The sky isn't falling. Best not to sell the idea that it is, to others.

Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry

I never pulled myself out of the pool, and now I have received a few offers of class dates. I have always liked the idea of Omni and even though I do have a pretty good job, I am still intrigued and am considering accepting the offer of a January class date. So yes, I do have a vested interest in what is going on there, which is why I have the fixation.

I know this is not a done deal, I know it has to be negotiated, I know this is a process of offers and counter offers. My point is that ATSG has brought in a law firm that specializes in long and nasty fights with employees. I have dealt with F&H before, so I do have first hand experience. The thought of starting off my career at Omni with a nasty 3 to 5 year battle with F&H is not exactly enticing. Starting off a new career at Omni knowing the opening salvo in the battle is pulling one of the most attractive aspects of the contract (for me personally) is another reason to stop and think about it again. Perhaps to you saying maybe I should pause and think twice sounds exactly like saying the sky is falling, but the two seem quite different to me.

Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry

I never pulled myself out of the pool, and now I have received a few offers of class dates. I have always liked the idea of Omni and even though I do have a pretty good job, I am still intrigued and am considering accepting the offer of a January class date. So yes, I do have a vested interest in what is going on there, which is why I have the fixation.


I know this is not a done deal, I know it has to be negotiated, I know this is a process of offers and counter offers. My point is that ATSG has brought in a law firm that specializes in long and nasty fights with employees. I have dealt with F&H before, so I do have first hand experience. The thought of starting off my career at Omni with a nasty 3 to 5 year battle with F&H is not exactly enticing. Starting off a new career at Omni knowing the opening salvo in the battle is pulling one of the most attractive aspects of the contract (for me personally) is another reason to stop and think about it again. Perhaps to you saying maybe I should pause and think twice sounds exactly like saying the sky is falling, but the two seem quite different to me.

Originally Posted by Monkeywizz

October CPI 5.6 percent. November CPI expected to be 8.6 percent. 5 years of no new Omni CBA will have Omni back to the bottom of the barrel.

Originally Posted by CaptYoda

So Omni still has guys in a pool, that they keep offering class dates? What is the attrition rate?

Originally Posted by dera

just in time to bounce back and be nr 1 again. Ebbs and flows.

You can either bang your head against the wall and be all upset about it, or just go full zen and relax and take things when they come.

Originally Posted by dera

It's not a "nasty 3 to 5 year battle". The Omni CBA is great, if you have to work under it for 5 years, what's the problem?

Originally Posted by skypilot35

Home Basing is not going away. The company is contractually obligated. This is a good place to be, either as a resume builder or career destination. Home basing has a lot to do with that. We are losing a lot of pilots, specifically First Officers. Captains stay because they make a good salary and quality of life is vastly improved with home basing. Take away home basing and those guys, especially the younger ones (under 55) would most certainly bale for a better retirement (Omni's is non-existent), quality of life, and in the long run more pay. The home basing is also attractive to most potential candidates, like yourself. I would never vote to give it up and neither would anybody I've spoken to.


I would also remind you that ATSG spent nearly $850,000,000 to buy Omni less than 4 years ago. I'm not sure they'd be interested in having the majority of the pilot group leave. My opinion. If you have a good attitude, like flying, and you're a tolerable human I recommend you accept the class date. This is a good place to be.