Originally Posted by 4dalulz

Sigh... Guess you guys do wanna go backwards. Thanks.

Originally Posted by 4dalulz

If you want that go to a "real airline". No ACMI pilots wants that headache, we prefer hangovers the SO doesn't see. If people want to live "in base" at a true ACMI they can do so by living where the airplanes are. No sense setting the pilot groups backward to entertain them.

Seriously, while the "for realz" pilots are out there working commuter clauses and bidding schedules that allow for commutes and living in seniority h#&& most folks at an ACMI are getting dropped off at their local airport once or twice per month and not worrying about a crash pad, hotel, ticket, taxi, taxes, etc. etc. etc... EVER. Or unpaid road days (like flying in the night before because the one morning flight doesn't fit a clause or arrives after show time or whatever). Commute on pay, rest on pay, fly on pay.

Not being at Omni... I hope you guys don't give a millimeter on that issue. It would have a detrimental effect on the bargaining pattern.

Originally Posted by pitchtrim

That's pretty much what I'm saying. I came here for the home basing and will be staying for the home basing. It won't be going away with the Dod stuff anyway you cut it. I'm not opposed to adding different types of flying to the company, in fact that's smart, provided the pay is REALLY good. Some people would jump on it, or apply here to do it. A revolving door of people will continue to come here and go to UPS. How about we make something for them to stay? How about that additional revenue be something that can bump up our abysmal retirement across the board? I'm only interested in the DOD flying personally. We did vacations Hawaii for example with a Vegas base. I wasn't interested in it either but some people were all about it. Surely something can be worked out.

Originally Posted by terks43

Why would we give a millimeter? You’ve completely misunderstood what he said. The company put the cargo ops thing out there to try to pressure the union into giving into their negotiation demands. He’s saying if they want to do this cargo crap then they better come to the table with industry leading compensation and work rules. For the cargo segment. Comparing our contract to FedEx and UPS’s as opposed to the other ACMI’s.

I can guarantee you one thing no matter how much the company pushes home basing will never be gotten rid of here. You take one look at our seniority list and where everyone is “based” at and you’ll figure out why. A contract without home basing will be voted no instantly by >85% of this pilot group.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

The company had already agreed to company travel for VH pilots then the program cancelled.......

Nope, no jumpseating & crashpads; that dog don't hunt. That's a foot in the door that should not be opened. If they want Fedex/UPS style flying, apply there.

Loo, they applied for this contract with our CURRENT contract. They would not have applied if it were not profitable. They need to stop looking at employee wage/compensation cuts as a means to increase profits. It's already profitable or they wouldn't have bid it.

NO, to domicile basing. It's as simple as that.

Finally, we should stop discussing this on a public BBS. I know from personal experience dealing with Ford & Harrison that they DO monitor this stuff, they do have accounts on here, and they will toss stuff out just to get a gauge on stuff. DO NOT PLAY THEIR GAME

My unon speaks for me !

Originally Posted by pitchtrim

The union hasn't and won't discuss future flying prospects. They should be NEGOTIATING with the company. I blame the union as much as the company.

Originally Posted by pitchtrim

I have talked to them. If you ask them if they've asked for the financial gains, they'll say no. They might speak for you but they don't speak for me.