The issue comes from buying out revenue passengers, as Delta has a "never involuntary bump" policy.

 

I've been commuting the whole time, to nyc, except for about ~4 years when I lived in a base. Our job is not to be there for the trip, our job is to show up for the commute, give ourselves two chances, it says so right in the FOM. If we don't make it, the NON DISIPLINARY effect is to start removing legs from our pattern (at EDV). It is not the pilots job to solve the staffing problem of the company, which was run by Delta at the time.

If the CP, in a meeting with me and my rep, ever said it was my job to predict the future loads and seamlessly weave my way to work, he would have been wrong. I show up to the airport, I gives it my shots, if the company chooses to pos space me afterwards and displace a couple revenue pax that's on the company. At the time it was 1000 bucks a pop and higher.

Delta, the company that ran EDV and Delta, decided to step on your contract and increase their margins. That wasn't something the union asked for, there was nothing signed. Delta did the data crunch like they always did, and figured out the cost to screw mainline's retirement privilege's were less than the cost to keep buying passenger tickets to NYC or cancelling flights where needed. This happened, they are the facts, and they are not in dispute.

You are trying to point to a want you have in the contract, something that used to be there, and that's good. What's bad is blaming any of this on EDV pilots who didn't ask for it. We wanted more money to either buy our tickets if we wanted (we wouldn't), make the missing legs not hurt so much because the rest of the legs were paid so much, make the legs worth more than the hotel room stay the night before, or SO much money people at said regional could live in NYC sans food stamps. That was our ask. We got shortcircuited by Delta. I don't blame delta pilots for that, I came to work for them. I blamed management. You have no issue with EDV pilots. You have an issue with a couple ex and current EDV pilots calling you out on factual mistakes that you made. Own it, like an adult, and stop being a child.

 

I live in MSP and drive to work, I could care less about the commuter clause. But I’m telling you, the clause in the contract is the same Cadillac plan at 9E and just because you are St. Commuter and used it once in 4 years doesn’t mean the rest of the world is like you.

Again - DAL (your company and my parent company) got tired of paying for $3,000 tickets several times a day because the retirees (who no longer contribute to the bottom line) got on the 6am and DAL purchased tickets on the 8am.

You can call my comment vindictive if you want. If does not change the fact - this wouldn’t be an issue is the pilots hadn’t given up scope in the first place. You have two remedies. Waste capital on higher pass travel benefits to beat out S3A for retirees or fix section 1 of your PWA. I think section 1 solves more problems (how many hostages does DAL have?), but that’s your PWA, not mine.

 

EDV has, what, 2k pilots on their list? If you have a gripe about edv companions, management, and beneficiaries of edv PILOTS getting S3A, then okay, I can understand the gripe. But ****ing off an entire pilot group who is by all accounts, improving your bottom line and working their butts off to maintain mainline metrics just trying to get to and from work, doesn't seem worth it imo. No, they aren't mainline, but they are absolutely an important piece to the puzzle with their performance. I know how strong the god complex is down in dixieland but they(edv) do a pretty significant amount of lift for you guys and from my time there, seemed by all intents and purposes to be an extremely professional work group. Not sure how that small of a pilot group in the grand scheme of things can ruffle so many feathers, especially those who are no longer active or contributing to Delta.

 

Maybe we should just sell EDV to SW like they did ASA.

Problem solved.

 

As a pilot, you don’t own anything. You’re just an employee, working for the shareholders. No different than a gate agent or flight attendant.

Endeavor pilots work for DAL shareholders.

Retirees don’t work for DAL shareholders.

Cogf16 was hired at DAL with 700 hours, wouldn’t even meet the bare minimum requirements at endeavor today.

Perhaps you guys could practice some humility. You make the entire pilot group look like spoiled brats. If you didn’t want this you should have went to SWA or JetBlue.

 

Maybe we should just sell EDV to SW. Problem solved.

Heck we sold ASA to SW. ASA used to be wholly owned too.

The fact remains. Our retirees worked for Delta Air Lines. You do not.

This may not go anywhere. All Cog was asking was for us to take a look at it. I called my reps and asked them to see what they can do. Nothing may come of it, or it might get traction. We'll see.

 

You work here?

 

Hey while you're talking to Bastion see if he can get insurance to cover your anal twigectomy, it's way past time you got that removed.

 

I can guarantee you, at Delta Air Lines, not EDV, if you avail yourself to commuting clause all the time, and get pos space more often than others, you are going to hear about it. The union will not help you, rightfully so. I can't speak for EDV as I don't work there. Never have. Do you work at Delta, or are you EDV pilot? Maybe prior EDV now at DAL? It will help with my context. To help you with mine: I was former mil pilot, former ASA/Express jet pilot, and now a Delta pilot.

No one is blaming EDV pilots, where did we ever say that? What we did say was that them getting S3A for non-rev - to include sig others and dependents - over our retirees is wrong. Them getting S3A to get too work is fine. IMHO we should look at seeing what we can do as a union to rectify that. Maybe something comes of it, maybe not. All Cog is asking is we try. That is a fair request.