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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Zerosilver84
Would a staple mean dal pilots living in cvg would get their cvg base back..just flying the crj900?
Assuming the base wasn't fenced off for Endeavor pilots, yes.
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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:15 AM
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It’ll be negotiated for in the future. Once there’s a reasonable chunk of pilots who aren’t covered, a new “progression for all” movement will start.
Negotiated for with what leverage? This TA locks us into a long term contract extension already. And recent management has shown much less willingness to negotiate anything with us than when RG and BL were running things.
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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dogecoin
Negotiated for with what leverage? This TA locks us into a long term contract extension already. And recent management has shown much less willingness to negotiate anything with us than when RG and BL were running things.
Depends on what they need, when you have a notable % without progression they’ll be asking for theirs, and the company will always be interested in some efficiency gains. Right now sure, but once you start getting 20+ out the door and 70-80 in each month that shifts the balance to people with no progression relatively soonish, especially as Reps flow and they get replaced by folks with no progression. It’ll create a two class pilot group which the MEC wanted to avoid, hence the progression for ALL thing. The issue with flow is it takes all the institutional knowledge that has built up and it’s gone in a generation or two. I’d guess the majority of the MEC could be gone within 2-3 years, by which point no-flow “newhires” will be a sizable block and interested to get theirs.
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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dogecoin
Why does flow help recruitment if new hires aren't even eligible?
Because they will upgrade faster, and will have better seniority and 121 TPIC quicker. That’s one of the reasons why I was applying to compass in 2011, after Aa went bankrupt.
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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:21 AM
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One thing to note, is RJ's operating at mainline gives the company access to the GTF long range RJ's, i.e. ERJE2, MRJ, etc. That revenue premium alone would cover any cost difference in pilot salaries.
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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
One thing to note, is RJ's operating at mainline gives the company access to the GTF long range RJ's, i.e. ERJE2, MRJ, etc. That revenue premium alone would cover any cost difference in pilot salaries.
I’ve said this time and time again. The E2-175 already has 4 extra seats at base config, perhaps more with a less sizable premium front end. Sell those extra seats combined with lower operating costs and you’ve got your difference somewhat baked in there.
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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Depends on what they need, when you have a notable % without progression they’ll be asking for theirs, and the company will always be interested in some efficiency gains. Right now sure, but once you start getting 20+ out the door and 70-80 in each month that shifts the balance to people with no progression relatively soonish, especially as Reps flow and they get replaced by folks with no progression. It’ll create a two class pilot group which the MEC wanted to avoid, hence the progression for ALL thing. The issue with flow is it takes all the institutional knowledge that has built up and it’s gone in a generation or two. I’d guess the majority of the MEC could be gone within 2-3 years, by which point no-flow “newhires” will be a sizable block and interested to get theirs.
Efficiency gains sounds like concessions to me

And it will be more like a three class pilot group since there are still new hires who are part of PROPEL
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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Dogecoin
Efficiency gains sounds like concessions to me

And it will be more like a three class pilot group since there are still new hires who are part of PROPEL
There’s always gives and takes in any contract. For those that don’t have flow, as that block grows bigger, there will be more impetus for them to get something, which will always have some price. What does propel matter when Edv pilots already have their guaranteed and contractual progression?
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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
One thing to note, is RJ's operating at mainline gives the company access to the GTF long range RJ's, i.e. ERJE2, MRJ, etc. That revenue premium alone would cover any cost difference in pilot salaries.
They are certainly more efficient but that would be offset by just purchase costs alone. The current 76 seat fleet has a lot of time to go before requiring replacements. I can assure you that they would never buy the 175 size anyway. They would purchase the 100 seat version and Delta has already selected the aircraft to fill that slot.
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Old 05-27-2021 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dogecoin
Efficiency gains sounds like concessions to me

And it will be more like a three class pilot group since there are still new hires who are part of PROPEL
New hires aren’t forced to come to 9E. Word will get out about the flow only applying to those on the ISI at the time of signing. There are plenty of other regionals that will be hiring. If 9E cannot attract new hires, they will be forced to change the flow language, and apply it to new hires. Supply and demand. Basic economics, right?
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