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Old 10-26-2021 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ChazzMMichaels
The 5+15 makes sense because you went past 0200. As far the X day push goes, it won’t be much. Check the Reserve Availability list for the next day you are on call. It should show you starting LC at 0250 instead of 0000. If you don’t have any more on call days this month, you should get a PB day in the bank.
I think the new LC start is 0250 + 9hrs
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Old 10-26-2021 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon20
I think the new LC start is 0250 + 9hrs
I could be wrong but that’s not how the PWA example reads for this situation. If it were a GS, IA, or reroute that goes into an X day that would be correct. But I don’t think this qualifies for a reroute. See 23.S.12
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Old 10-26-2021 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ChazzMMichaels
I could be wrong but that’s not how the PWA example reads for this situation. If it were a GS, IA, or reroute that goes into an X day that would be correct. But I don’t think this qualifies for a reroute. See 23.S.12
I thought reroute would apply but maybe not.
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Old 10-27-2021 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ChazzMMichaels
Look at the PWA 23.S.12. The example is almost exactly your situation. X days get pushed, PB day only if you don’t have any more on call days in the month. No extra pay that I can see.

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PB day only if you don’t have any more on call days in the month. No extra pay that I can see.
I believe these are both incorrect.

Your X day was interrupted. Period. For that you gain a PB day. Whether that PB day goes in the current month or in the bank depends only on whether you have any remaining RSV days in the current bid period. Either way you always get a PB day for the interrupted X day. If you have remaining RSV days, you are off for 9 hours after release and PB “day” runs for 24 hours (1151 to 1150 the following day in your case). The second partial day isa “PR” day. The PR day rounds up to a full PB day if it has to go in your bank.

Pay for the portion of the trip which occurs on the X day should show as pay, no credit. So block time plus any rotation credit which goes on the last day of the rotation should pay above RSV guarantee.


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Old 10-27-2021 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
I believe these are both incorrect.

Your X day was interrupted. Period. For that you gain a PB day. Whether that PB day goes in the current month or in the bank depends only on whether you have any remaining RSV days in the current bid period. Either way you always get a PB day for the interrupted X day. If you have remaining RSV days, you are off for 9 hours after release and PB “day” runs for 24 hours (1151 to 1150 the following day in your case). The second partial day isa “PR” day. The PR day rounds up to a full PB day if it has to go in your bank.

Pay for the portion of the trip which occurs on the X day should show as pay, no credit. So block time plus any rotation credit which goes on the last day of the rotation should pay above RSV guarantee.


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Respectfully, as explained in a previous post, everything you wrote only applies when the X day is interrupted by a GS, IA, or reroute. Reference 23.S.9 and note the part that says "due to an IA, GS, or reroute " This is not a reroute - 23.A.45 "An alteration in the departure, enroute, or arrival time of a scheduled flight segment does not constitute a reroute." What applies is 23.S.12 - "The X-day(s) of a reserve pilot who completes a rotation on an X-day due to late operations will begin upon his release at the completion of his rotation." There's even an example that shows exactly when LC will begin on the next on-call day.
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Old 10-27-2021 | 01:30 PM
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Well, official word from the skeds is PR ends on next on-call day 9 hrs after release time. That doesnt seem to jive with 23.S.12 as Chazz stated, which clearly doesnt afford the 9 hrs after release as in the case of a GS in 23.S.9. 🤷‍♂️
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Old 10-27-2021 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by connollc
Well, official word from the skeds is PR ends on next on-call day 9 hrs after release time. That doesnt seem to jive with 23.S.12 as Chazz stated, which clearly doesnt afford the 9 hrs after release as in the case of a GS in 23.S.9. 🤷‍♂️
Just take it and don't argue in this case! Lots of new, inexperienced schedulers that don't know the rules (which we've shown are complex and easy to mix up). I've had to walk them thru it several times because they usually short me, especially when there's an ocean crossing involved.
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Old 10-27-2021 | 02:32 PM
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👍 another good point…13 hours after release (vice 9) from a GS involving an ocean crossing
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Old 10-27-2021 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ChazzMMichaels
Respectfully, as explained in a previous post, everything you wrote only applies when the X day is interrupted by a GS, IA, or reroute. Reference 23.S.9 and note the part that says "due to an IA, GS, or reroute " This is not a reroute - 23.A.45 "An alteration in the departure, enroute, or arrival time of a scheduled flight segment does not constitute a reroute." What applies is 23.S.12 - "The X-day(s) of a reserve pilot who completes a rotation on an X-day due to late operations will begin upon his release at the completion of his rotation." There's even an example that shows exactly when LC will begin on the next on-call day.

Looking at the text you cited, I’m now inclined to agree. Not sure that’s how I’ve seen it applied. Hmm. Maybe if we might not like the answer, this is one question that shouldn’t be asked!


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Old 10-30-2021 | 04:04 AM
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Soon-to-be newhire FO here. At my current airline, I bid reserve on purpose to get the schedules I want. I'm hoping for JFK at Delta. If I go for the most junior aircraft (probably lowest paying?), how long would you say it's taking right now to get a couple of weekends off each month?
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