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Old 10-28-2024 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
On a related note can they extend your short call past its original time to give you a trip? Say for example you’re on SC from 1300-1900 and then they give you a trip with a 2000 report. They would have to extend the SC to 2000 otherwise it wouldn’t be legal. Can they do that?
No. Last sentence of SRH page 81.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
On a related note can they extend your short call past its original time to give you a trip? Say for example you’re on SC from 1300-1900 and then they give you a trip with a 2000 report. They would have to extend the SC to 2000 otherwise it wouldn’t be legal. Can they do that?
given the way you’ve described the scenario, no. You would not have been identified as a short call pilot for that trip. You would have come up as a long call pilot but ineligible due to FAR required rest.

however, I don’t believe that extending a short call then running a TC to identify you as a SC has been litigated.


the PWA states a SC pilot will remain on short call for a period that does not exceed 12 hours.

my personal belief is that we consider the assigned short call to be un extendable.

tennisguru provided SRH ref but basically…

In a 1000-1900 SC a 1901 rotation report would not be legal.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
given the way you’ve described the scenario, no. You would not have been identified as a short call pilot for that trip. You would have come up as a long call pilot but ineligible due to FAR required rest.

however, I don’t believe that extending a short call then running a TC to identify you as a SC has been litigated.


the PWA states a SC pilot will remain on short call for a period that does not exceed 12 hours.

my personal belief is that we consider the assigned short call to be un extendable.

tennisguru provided SRH ref but basically…

In a 1000-1900 SC a 1901 rotation report would not be legal.
Appreciate both replies, thanks.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
sorry I missed this…

you can’t get the short call removed… if they did the rotation is an illegal assignment. Look at 23M6b. If your SC is removed you’re not on SC status at time of report… so you’d not be the appropriate pilot/step of trip coverage for the rotation.
Thanks for this! Good to know.
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Old 10-29-2024 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
sorry I missed this…

you can’t get the short call removed… if they did the rotation is an illegal assignment. Look at 23M6b. If your SC is removed you’re not on SC status at time of report… so you’d not be the appropriate pilot/step of trip coverage for the rotation.
anybody know what an illegal assignment pays if not removed?
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Old 10-29-2024 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DenVa
anybody know what an illegal assignment pays if not removed?
Line holder: single pay and credit. Double pay for what you fly
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Old 10-29-2024 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DenVa
anybody know what an illegal assignment pays if not removed?
Reserve is only the first FDP above guarantee. Total BS, becuase it actually incentivizes the company to illegally assign, claim "fly now, grieve later", and get away with a fraction of the cost as a penalty.
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Old 10-29-2024 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Reserve is only the first FDP above guarantee. Total BS, becuase it actually incentivizes the company to illegally assign, claim "fly now, grieve later", and get away with a fraction of the cost as a penalty.
This… you really have to be diligent about reserve assignments. If you don’t catch it prior to report, there’s no real recourse.
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Old 10-29-2024 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Reserve is only the first FDP above guarantee. Total BS, becuase it actually incentivizes the company to illegally assign, claim "fly now, grieve later", and get away with a fraction of the cost as a penalty.
yup. Unfortunately though it’s spelled out in the PWA what an “assignment” pays for both regular and reserve. 23.U.3. and 23.U.6.d. roughly approximate the pay due.
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Old 10-29-2024 | 08:38 PM
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As a reserve pilot, if I have a recency sim on an OFF day, is the sim event and and the travel day counted as Pay, No Credit?
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