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Old 10-24-2022 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by formerdal
OK once less than a year from the amenable date. Guys here are expecting huge raises during covid with gov't support and 3 years of retro is completely unrealistic.We will get slightly more than AA....We have to move forward at some point. Hell, i want a 50% raise but that ain't happening. United will come next with something similar to AA. Our hands will be mostly tied by the NMB to be in the zone. NO administration regardless of color will let us strike.
This is spot on. Even though many pilots will hold there breath and stomp their feet and vote no unless we get 3 years of Retro "at the same rates as if we had signed a contract."........
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Old 10-24-2022 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by formerdal
OK once less than a year from the amenable date. Guys here are expecting huge raises during covid with gov't support and 3 years of retro is completely unrealistic.We will get slightly more than AA....We have to move forward at some point. Hell, i want a 50% raise but that ain't happening. United will come next with something similar to AA. Our hands will be mostly tied by the NMB to be in the zone. NO administration regardless of color will let us strike.

Alaska is the only passenger airline with a ratified TA post-COVID. All this defeatist talk about how UA’s & AA’s TAs will sink us is pretty dumb considering United did a redo days after the vote opened. Based on the rumors. I see the same happening at American. Until someone has a dud TA actually get ratified, no one has screwed anyone.
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Old 10-24-2022 | 08:12 AM
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Organizing and striking is a right. The government has restrictions around these rights but yes we can strike. Where are the “rights” advocates? Covid, guns, body etc. Funny how some rights are not worth exercising or defending. This is the right that will have the largest impact on your earnings. Go ahead and don’t recognize it, you’re already not helping.
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Old 10-24-2022 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
This is spot on. Even though many pilots will hold there breath and stomp their feet and vote no unless we get 3 years of Retro "at the same rates as if we had signed a contract."........
It doesn't have to be the CURRENT inflationary rates during ChinaFlu in order to pass. The company needs to recognize that they are the ones that dragged their feet on signing a contract all the while taking government money. If those years are compensated with inflation plus a little something something, I think it would stand a good chance of passing. Of course the company will never agree to 4 years of a 20% pay increase and I would not expect them too. But I do expect them to compensate all the work that was done during that period when many of us on property were busting ass to get it done. I have 3 years left. This is your contract. If you let the company get away with this crap, you deserve what happens to you for the rest of your career
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Old 10-24-2022 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
As a profession I think we need to recognize that managements at the Big 4, either collaboratively or not, are trying see just what they can get away with. We have more leverage now than I've ever seen in my career. No company has ever been destroyed or saved because of pilot pay. Let's try and remember that.
What is our leverage?
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Old 10-24-2022 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
What is our leverage?

Well, according to notEnuf our leverage is ............... "the right to strike"!

I mean that is irrefutable is it not???

There .....QED
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Old 10-24-2022 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
What is our leverage?
PB crying because we don't wear hats?
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Old 10-24-2022 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
What is our leverage?
We have amazing leverage, only talking about it in an open forum will get you sued. You know that, and you know what the leverage is.
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Old 10-24-2022 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
PB crying because we don't wear hats?

He supposedly told a pilot in business casual this weekend that he couldn’t ride his jumpseat unless he took his lanyard off


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Old 10-24-2022 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
He supposedly told a pilot in business casual this weekend that he couldn’t ride his jumpseat unless he took his lanyard off


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That's sort of a grey area. FOM 32.2.3 says that we are not allowed to wear our badge when traveling company business or nonrev when not in full uniform, but it also says that off duty personnal occupying the jumpseat much have their company ID in clear view when entering and exiting the flight deck.
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