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A blast from the past...........

Base, Aircraft, Seat # of openings, Most senior pilot, Most junior pilot, Reason for opening

ATL M11 CAPT 15 00052 01166 ADDITIONAL FLYING
ATL 73N CAPT 5 00517 04665 BID ADJUSTMENT
ATL 777 F/O 8 01432 04518 ADDITIONAL FLYING
ATL M11 F/O 15 00877 07273 ADDITIONAL FLYING
ATL 73N F/O 5 03551 09079 BID ADJUSTMENT
CVG 767CAPT 5 00422 04720 CAP REDUCTION
CVG 767 F/O 5 02215 09512 CAP REDUCTION
CVG M88 F/O 34 05040 09690 UNFILLED PREV BIDS
DFW 767 CAPT 5 00273 02686 CAP REDUCTION
DFW 767 F/O 5 03196 08032 CAP REDUCTION
DFW M88 F/O 11 04506 09748 UNFILLED PREV BIDS
LAX 765 CAPT 10 00043 01016 NEW CATEGORY
LAX 767CAPT 5 00301 03847 ADDITIONAL FLYING
LAX 765 F/O 10 02120 04625 NEW CATEGORY
LAX 767 F/O 5 03082 09191 ADDITIONAL FLYING
MCO 73S CAPT 7 03233 08722 ADDITIONAL FLYING
MCO 73S F/O 29 06966 09745 NEW HIRE POSITION
NYC 7ER CAPT 5 00093 02097 STAFF ADJUSTMENT
NYC 73N CAPT 20 01318 05847 ADDITIONAL FLYING
NYC 7ER F/O 10 02256 08250 STAFF ADJUSTMENT
NYC 73N F/O 20 04956 09660 ADDITIONAL FLYING
NYC M88 F/O 20 05922 09743 UNFILLED PREV BIDS
SLC 767 CAPT 5 00157 03834 ADDITIONAL FLYING
SLC 73N CAPT 5 01105 04157 BID ADJUSTMENT
SLC767 F/O 5 02439 09317 ADDITIONAL FLYING
SLC 73N F/O 5 03667 09426 BID ADJUSTMENT

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1660465)

If I had to predict, the NC will bring the reps a signed TA something close to that with the cost of those pay raises fully funded by concessions in other areas. You will quote the MEC administation's mantra of a huge victory and the time value of money. Management will tell Wall Street that the pilots have agreed to another cost neutral contract. DALPA will say we got a billion dollars out of them without showing any data to prove it. MEC will pursue massive sales and fear campaign. You and sailingfud will do what you always do. Then it will pass 60-40.

It all depends on when Richard tells our "union" that it's time to sign a new contract.

Carl

Why don't you spare me your usual halitosis of predicting what I will do. It's your predictable opinion based on your complete desire to divide the group. Remember, DAL hired pilots that would never strike, right? You have no evidence of what I will or won't do when the time comes.

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Ummmmmm........Shirley.............Ummmmm!

Denny

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1660478)

You and sailingfud will lead the charge if that's what your leadership tells you to do. 100% guaranteed.

Carl

Care to put 50 grand on it? I'll make YOU pay up.

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1660595)

and no DB money. :rolleyes:

You want to go back to a DB plan?????????

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1660597)

Respectfully Sailing, what you state is incorrect. You might be lost in translation.

First, US/AMR have group category aircraft. Their group 4 includes 777 and 767-4, 787 etc.

On 2015, we cease getting raises.
We will be stopped out as follows.

777A 12 year = $270
764A 12 year = $255

Then, on January 1, 2016, US/AMR receives a 16.5% raise.

They will be paying their 764 pilots $20 more per hour and the equivalent for 777.

We likely will be in section 6 still. They will get a 3.5 in 2017 and 2018 as well if needed. If we are still negotiating in 2018, which even you eluded to yesterday, then they will have readily surpassed us. And there you have the $40 difference in pay.

Even at 2016, they exceed us.

And to answer your last question, "By the way if their contract was so good what does that make ours?"

Answer: Not as good. And for you recollection, this is the contract they negotiated on the emergence from BK. :eek:

Interesting that you view their negotiating prowess from the perspective of a snapshot. I know you don't believe in compounding interest and TVM, but why don't you take your research skills and go back about 10 years and project their earnings and personal investment growth forward to today? I'm not justifying where we are right now, but here again we have a case of someone taking a single point in time and using that as a foundation to "prove" that our current situation sucks. So how about this too: Maybe our contract isn't as good as American's. The fact that they negotiated it on emergence from BK is really irrelevant because we had already set the bar. DO you think they would have gotten what they did had we still been in a BK situation? They hadn't been able to get much improvement for the previous 10 years or so... Management knew that they would be back asking for more and they probably decided to throw a few bones and cut that off early. So, I say that is a great thing because it means we have someone to pattern from. The bar must be raised. Maybe it IS our turn. Which is a great thing.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1660725)

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1660666)

Why are you trying to lower our expectations?

He's not lowering expectations, he's sweeping away the bullchit.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1660744)

You want to go back to a DB plan?????????

If there was a way to guarantee it? Yes. :D

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1660732)

Why oh why? I hope my nightmare does not come true. Please tell me you are not applying to or trying to get on with Delta, please!:D:D
sort of, just kidding.

TEN