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Old 06-25-2014 | 09:34 AM
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Few stats through the end of next month.

576 through July including 105 return to work guys

60/40 Civilian to Military
  • 45% Endeavor
  • 30% Compass
  • 12% Expressjet

569 New Captains since C2012.

72 a month ongoing
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Old 06-25-2014 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
You would be correct if Endeavor wasn't a wholly owned. You see, the breach of the EtD has to be outside of the control of Delta, while 9E is a wholly owned, there is nothing outside of Delta's control.
Still a slippery slope argument. For an agreement that can be cancelled anytime, I wouldn't overestimate anything. You need to be a CA. It doesn't matter why one doesn't upgrade but if you don't, I wouldn't count on Delta still taking an EtD. The whole point of that agreement is to get pilots to fill seats at E, not D. Didn't you watch the Mesaba flow go poof first hand? I would think you'd know best when it comes to Delta.
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Old 06-25-2014 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
You would be correct if Endeavor wasn't a wholly owned. You see, the breach of the EtD has to be outside of the control of Delta, while 9E is a wholly owned, there is nothing outside of Delta's control.
Their is no breach! It states that DAL can cancel the program at anytime in the contract. They should have put it in big bold letters because that is kinda a big thing to put in a contract. It allows them tons of flexibility.
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Old 06-25-2014 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Few stats through the end of next month.

576 through July including 105 return to work guys

60/40 Civilian to Military
  • 45% Endeavor
  • 30% Compass
  • 12% Expressjet

569 New Captains since C2012.

72 a month ongoing
I'm assuming single you didn't add any other airlines like Skywest then they must be less than 5 or 10% of those hired?
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Old 06-25-2014 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Flycameron
Their is no breach! It states that DAL can cancel the program at anytime in the contract. They should have put it in big bold letters because that is kinda a big thing to put in a contract. It allows them tons of flexibility.
The program can be canceled, that simply means that no new hires will get the EtD. People who already have the EtD, still get grandfathered in.

Furthermore, the stuff on the 9E website is an outline of the program, it's not the actual paperwork you sign.
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Old 06-25-2014 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Few stats through the end of next month.

576 through July including 105 return to work guys

60/40 Civilian to Military
  • 45% Endeavor
  • 30% Compass
  • 12% Expressjet

569 New Captains since C2012.



72 a month ongoing

And shyguy said the SSP would never amount to a hill of beans. Congrats to the 100's of 9E pilots who have gotten hired by Delta this year.
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Old 06-25-2014 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
And shyguy said the SSP would never amount to a hill of beans. Congrats to the 100's of 9E pilots who have gotten hired by Delta this year.
I never said anything about a hill of beans. It speaks for itself with a selection rate of 38%, and recently heard as high as 50-60%. And I say congrats to all pilots hired at Delta this year, military, civilian, street, regional flows, everyone. It's nice to see a year in which every single legacy/major carrier is hiring which is something we haven't had since 9/11.
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Old 06-25-2014 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
I never said anything about a hill of beans. It speaks for itself with a selection rate of 38%, and recently heard as high as 50-60%. And I say congrats to all pilots hired at Delta this year, military, civilian, street, regional flows, everyone. It's nice to see a year in which every single legacy/major carrier is hiring which is something we haven't had since 9/11.
The selection rate is low because a lot of SSP's aren't taking it serious and are going in inadequately prepared. With all of the gouge out there, you can really only blame yourself when you go in and fail the Cog.
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Old 06-25-2014 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
You would be correct if Endeavor wasn't a wholly owned. You see, the breach of the EtD has to be outside of the control of Delta, while 9E is a wholly owned, there is nothing outside of Delta's control.
Mesabah,

I really hope young pilots do their own due diligence on the subject. You like to come on here and talk in absolutes. If this happens then you automatically move up to Delta. Sorry my friend but history is not on your side. At one point in time it was in our mainline contract that 25% of all new hires would come from our wholly owned airlines Comair and ASA. ASA was sold to Skywest and Comair went the way of the dinosaur and they didn't automatically move up to Delta when it happened.
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Old 06-25-2014 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
Mesabah,

I really hope young pilots do their own due diligence on the subject. You like to come on here and talk in absolutes. If this happens then you automatically move up to Delta. Sorry my friend but history is not on your side. At one point in time it was in our mainline contract that 25% of all new hires would come from our wholly owned airlines Comair and ASA. ASA was sold to Skywest and Comair went the way of the dinosaur and they didn't automatically move up to Delta when it happened.
How do you do your own due diligence as a new hire? Short of paying a lawyer, I don't see any way of getting a definitive answer. There really is no due diligence, as your post points out all you can do is assume the deal is hogwash.
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