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Old 09-28-2014, 01:03 PM
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I think it's been said before but make sure your employment history goes back to high school without breaks.
Are people entering their job history with no gaps despite there being periods of unemployment?
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Old 09-28-2014, 01:27 PM
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Are people entering their job history with no gaps despite there being periods of unemployment?
Yes, I believe so.
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Old 09-28-2014, 02:49 PM
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I got the fix it email because I showed T-38 time but didn't include the Sq info on the employment history page as it was WAAAY over 10 years ago. That must have worked because I got the email for an interview in the upcoming months.

And yes I added every job back to college grad, not high school.
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Old 09-28-2014, 10:07 PM
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I was NOT a pilot but got my time & ratings outside the military will this be held against me? If my time is good and everything else being equal will this be a non starter at DL? I was pretty abused by the pilots so they could get there "heavy time" i.e. PT's at 4am after a 8 hr mission just to gain another few hours to pad there logbook. So do they have the "oh you never actually flew" in the military attitude? Just wondering
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Old 09-28-2014, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by darkman62 View Post
I was NOT a pilot but got my time & ratings outside the military will this be held against me? If my time is good and everything else being equal will this be a non starter at DL? I was pretty abused by the pilots so they could get there "heavy time" i.e. PT's at 4am after a 8 hr mission just to gain another few hours to pad there logbook. So do they have the "oh you never actually flew" in the military attitude? Just wondering
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Not sure you'll get any "'oh you never actually flew' in the military attitude," whatever that is. Everyone I've met in DAL hiring office and admin is very appreciative of mil service.

Not sure about what you mean by "PTs" - do you mean "pattern transition" after/before a sortie to fill the roster of AF-required "beans" (normal/emergency approaches/landings) in the heavy/bomber world? As a guy who started his flying life as a nav, I feel your pain. Worse were the ERCCs (Engine Running Crew Changes), when we'd fly a mission, do 1.5-2hrs of transition, land, drop off the pilots and D, fill their [3rd person plural possessive] seats with an IP and 2 more pilots, then take off and do another 2+ hrs of crash and dash.

If that's what you're talking about, I'm not sure what you mean about "abused by pilots…so they could get there [sic] 'heavy time'… just to pad there [sic again] logbook." Do mean that you felt your fellow Airmen were intentionally abusing you and using taxpayer flight time and JP for their personal gain, and you never brought that to the attention of your command structure to rectify that breach of integrity?

Bottom line - if you've got the quals they're looking for, you'll get the call. I don't think anyone is going to hold how you got them against you. BTW, DALPA's slide that rolls in the crew rooms says it's roughly a 60-40 civ/mil split in 2014 hiring.
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Old 09-29-2014, 05:59 AM
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I know several people who followed a non-traditional path to Delta. You'll have stories to tell in the interview. Your mil background can only help...not hurt.

At this point, there are only a few things you can do to make yourself more competitive. Do something more for your company than just fly the line...LCA, training dept., special projects, union work helping your pilot brothers out. Work on a Master's degree (if it's within reach) and make darn sure you get a high GPA.

Your application can't look just like everyone else's in the stack and expect to get the call. More than any other airline, Delta values personal achievement, leadership and customer service. Hours are just the pre-reqs...what else have you done with your time?
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Originally Posted by darkman62 View Post
I was NOT a pilot but got my time & ratings outside the military will this be held against me? If my time is good and everything else being equal will this be a non starter at DL?
Bolded part is key. I may be misreading you, but if you have 1,501 hours in nothing bigger than a Seminole with your ATP (i.e., non-mil time & ratings), and 10K+ hours of non-pilot mil aviation... then "everything else" is NOT equal. Your time as a (non-pilot) military aviator "counts" insofar as your professional background is concerned, but it doesn't mean anything (to DL or any other airline) so far as piloting experience is concerned. The sweet spot, from reading these boards, appears to be 4K+ hours including significant turbine time. If you've got that, then you should be in the hunt; if not, still apply, but recent stats seem to be against you for the time being.

Flying Elvis already addressed the second part of your post & nailed it....
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Old 09-29-2014, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by darkman62 View Post
I was NOT a pilot but got my time & ratings outside the military will this be held against me? If my time is good and everything else being equal will this be a non starter at DL? I was pretty abused by the pilots so they could get there "heavy time" i.e. PT's at 4am after a 8 hr mission just to gain another few hours to pad there logbook. So do they have the "oh you never actually flew" in the military attitude? Just wondering
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No, Delta respects Military service be it as a pilot or non pilot. Enlisted service is also a plus.
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Old 09-29-2014, 12:06 PM
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What are people's thoughts on Aero Crew Solutions' prep for the interview?
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Old 09-29-2014, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by darkman62 View Post
I was NOT a pilot but got my time & ratings outside the military will this be held against me? If my time is good and everything else being equal will this be a non starter at DL? I was pretty abused by the pilots so they could get there "heavy time" i.e. PT's at 4am after a 8 hr mission just to gain another few hours to pad there logbook. So do they have the "oh you never actually flew" in the military attitude? Just wondering
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Darkman,
I'd be careful in how your attitude is displayed during the interview.

The way you state the above does display a slight chip. It wasn't the pilots fault you started in the mil as an FE.

You should be thankful of all your life experiences and discuss how you learned something on every flight and use that experience today in your chosen profession as a pilot.

You have shown the capability to consistently learn and improve your lot in life which is a remarkable and not entirely common trait. Many would have just been content to stay as an FE, but you didn't. Let it be due to your personal drive and professional development, not due to jealousy or envy.

Best of luck!
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