TOGAANG

Flycameron you said that Delta will pull and score our application if we went to the job fair. Do you mean that they will review you resume there and give you a rough score or actually pull your online application?
I met with a FO who told me I had a strong resume but didn't know anything about the three tiers, how to score it and thought that our resumes were just shredded. I indeed hope they pull our online application and score it.
It was great seeing Captain Flanigan and Mr. Kraby in the trenches talking to us. It really shows they care, I just wish I had met with one of them. Guys that did were told how they roughly scored. That would be worth the $1k+ cost of traveling there and paying for all the other ancillary fees.

Does anyone know if Delta gives more points for the number of LOR's on file or is 10 equivalent to 1?

Flycameron

I was told at OBAP, the more LOR's the better but I have also been told that you need to be careful with who gives you a LOR. I have a buddy that had no contacts and just got hired with only one LOR. I had the honor and chance to meet with Cal Flannigan and he is one of the gate keepers to reviewing your application. He said he would not tell me how they score the app since it wasn't fair and was confidential. I heard that they have three tiers as well and he said they have more than that but would not tell me. He saiid they give your app a score and it goes into a folder. They then pull from the folders to call for interviews. I heard someone say that Arnie told him at WIA that he is in tier II and he is already working for delta now.

At Obap they actually just review your app with you and tell you they will shred it after the conference since they do not want to be liable for the information on your resume. They take all the resume they collect at the job fair and then review each app from the resume name. The app then receives a score and is placed in a folder for an interview. Your interview invite is based on how your app scores. I asked Flannigan about misspelling and he said it will decrease your score if your have a lot of grammar issues. A internal LOR will also get your app reviewed and scored too. I wouldn't say going to the job fair is a do or die thing as to getting on at delta. It only helps you to get your actual application to be looked at. If it your app scores high enough then you will get the interview.

Olario

Do you want to work at Delta?
If so, go to as many job fairs as you possibly can if Delta will be there. Get as many LOR's as you can. Network. Update your application weekly. Further yourself in education. I got my Masters while flying and everyone made fun of me. Maybe thats what got me an invite.
Do your best. Keep a clean reliability report with your current job.
You will get an invite. And if you havent yet, at least you know you're doing your best.
I was fortunate enough to get the invite. It only happened after I talked to a recruiter at WIA. Who knows what triggers what or what is the magic formula. Do everything you can.

I have a few skeletons in my closet and my chances of getting hired are slim, but I assure you that I have prepared the best I know how.

Waggs

I'm sure this is confidential, but has anyone heard any rumors about the passing scores on the tests at the interview? Is it some sort of a sliding scale or a hard pass/fail number? Also, what about the face to face part - how does that work (anyone interview lately that can shed some light)?

Simms41

I interviewed last month. There was a member who did not get hired from our day, but we were not told why she didn't get hired. Also, someone the day before us did not get hired and they told him that he failed a subsection of the COG test. So there are minimum scores on the testing. I can't speak to whether the scale is sliding or not (ie, if they really like you from HR but you didn't do as well as they would like on tech test), but I really do doubt it. I thought the HR section was a non-event. It was very pleasant and extremely conversational. They had questions prepared but many questions spawned from other answers that you gave to previous questions. For example, you may mention your college in your intro, then they asked a follow on question regarding college. Like, I said it was conversational, I almost had to remind myself that I was in an interview, and not just chatting with someone that I just met. I highly recommend Emerald Coast to prep for the HR portion. They do grade your responses in the HR interview, I think on a scale of 1 to 5, but I tried not to look down as they were writing! This is bad form, but also covered by ECIC in their prep course!

My best advice is to study your butt off with gouge and books like Everything Explained and prepare your answers for TMAAT questions, and you should be fine.

DALMD88FO

It's this kind of stuff that makes me scratch my head and it's not anything new it happens every hiring cycle. Now this isn't directed at you personally Olario but why would going to a WIA conference trigger an interview for someone who states that he has skeletons (plural) in his closet when there is a stack of thousands that do not?

Olario

I have more than my share in my driving record from 15 years ago while in HS. No DUI or DWI. Just speeding.
Graduated with honors in HS, College, and Graduate school. Flawless FAA record with over 8000+TT and 9 years of Part 121. Lots of voluntary work on my resume. Other things going for me as well on the app, but I do worry a lot about my driving record from 98-99.
I guess it will come down to how I explain myself.
They didnt give me an interview because I showed up at WIA. They gave me an interview because of the things I have done in the past 15 years. Showing up at WIA probably just showed to them how bad I want the job.
Ask yourself if you have anything that sets you apart from the other 10,000 applicants. If answer is no, go after something that will set you apart, be a high up connection, post graduate school, community service, etc.....
Again, chances of me getting hired are 50/50, but glad to have the chance and it shows that hard work pays off.
I will be very frustated if not offered the job, but I know that I have prepared the best that I can. Can't change my stupid behavior from
98-99.

Flying Elvis

I wouldn't call driving violations "skeletons," unless you're talking DUI, which you aren't.

I drove like an idiot in HS and to a lesser extent, in college. Got lots of tickets. A few speeding tickets since.

C+ student in HS and Uni. Top grad in mil flight school. One failed mil check ride 15 years ago. Just shy of 4.0 in high-end Masters. Lots of professional and volunteer work and honors.

In the interview, I was asked about my driving habits, my poor grades early on, and my failed checkride. In each, I owned my mistakes, called out the root problems, listed lessons learned, and pointed to evidence that I'd applied those lessons.

Hired.

Flycameron

Having a speeding ticket is not what I would call a skeleton in the closest. It's actually what makes you normal. We are pilots and we like speed, it makes sense to have a few tickets. I heard Arnie say that 7 tickets is when they become worried. They are really looking for tickets in the past few years and even one is not a deal killer but they are looking for a pattern. Sounds like you have a great resume and that's what got you the interview. Going to WIA did NOT get you an interview but did get your application reviewed. OC Miller has said himself that a job fair is by no means a qualifier for getting the interview. Everyone thinks you have to network to get the interview and this is so NOT the case! In fact it frustrates Delta recruiters to hear the rumor spread that you only get an interview by who you know. YOUR APPLICATION IS WHAT GETS THEIR ATTENTION AND ULTIMATELY THE INTERVIEW!! Look through this thread and look at the credentials of those that have been given an interview. They are interviewing those candidates that stand out in a crowd of 7,000 applications. They are NOT hiring those that network well or have skeletons in their closet.

DALMD88FO

I have to agree with what the other guys are saying. Driving tickets, unless they are for reckless driving, are not what you would call skeletons. A skeleton, in my opinion, is a dui/dwi, checkride failures that were not disclosed or other criminal offenses that would prevent you from getting the job. By nature pilots are type A aggressive personalities and as such we tend to do things in the extreme. Good luck in your interview. I was more talking about situations where the guy or gal has an other than honorable discharge then gets an interview and hired before people that had spotless records. Now this was 10 years ago but it seems that if you know or happen to meet the right person these kind of things get swept under the rug. (the person I'm talking about did not get hired to Delta by the way)