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05-25-2021 | 06:55 AM
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As I understand it, if we vote no, there is no arbitration. DALPA is only going to try to make this an issue if it's an actual issue. It's a smart move on their part - if they arbitrate now and they lose, then Delta knows that if we say no, they can still get their 35 RJs back just by starting a new regional. But if they wait and we say no, then Delta has to consider that they'd go to all the trouble of starting up a new regional only to have DALPA then challenge it on the same grounds of "we signed an agreement with Compass, and this new regional isn't Compass", have DALPA win, and then they've wasted all that time and money.
05-25-2021 | 07:20 AM
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Prob won’t even be 1 class, sounds like the class can be held for 3 months. If Delta losses, the protections for holding a class back become void.
05-25-2021 | 07:23 AM
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05-25-2021 | 07:31 AM
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Here a theory...
Delta adds 35 large RJs, tells DALPA to pound sand, then loses in arbitration. It’s a replay of the A350 delivery plan. Their objective is getting additional capacity that provides immediate relief for a self induced staffing problem. By the time they lose in arbitration, the staffing crisis is well on the way to resolution.
How long can they fly the RJs before losing in arbitration?
Delta adds 35 large RJs, tells DALPA to pound sand, then loses in arbitration. It’s a replay of the A350 delivery plan. Their objective is getting additional capacity that provides immediate relief for a self induced staffing problem. By the time they lose in arbitration, the staffing crisis is well on the way to resolution.
How long can they fly the RJs before losing in arbitration?
I think EDVALPA would be wise to try to negotiate a fall back plan, perhaps the old "bucket"/points system of progression.
I think it's more likely than not (60%?) that Delta loses (because the flow provisions of LOA 9 did "cease" to exist), but they don't care...they still get those 35 for the summer.
I'm still a yes vote, but clearly we are just pawns in Delta's game here. At the very least, they can no longer say they are opposed to contractual progression in principle.
05-25-2021 | 08:08 AM
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05-25-2021 | 08:18 AM
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05-25-2021 | 08:19 AM
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I think it's pretty clear at this point that Delta is primarily doing this for short term relief of their staffing problems this summer. As was posted over here in the Delta forum:
Contractually, an arbitration decision needs to be made within 3 months... Just long enough for Delta to fly the planes with regional staffing through the summer.
I think EDVALPA would be wise to try to negotiate a fall back plan, perhaps the old "bucket"/points system of progression.
I think it's more likely than not (60%?) that Delta loses (because the flow provisions of LOA 9 did "cease" to exist), but they don't care...they still get those 35 for the summer.
I'm still a yes vote, but clearly we are just pawns in Delta's game here. At the very least, they can no longer say they are opposed to contractual progression in principle.
Contractually, an arbitration decision needs to be made within 3 months... Just long enough for Delta to fly the planes with regional staffing through the summer.
I think EDVALPA would be wise to try to negotiate a fall back plan, perhaps the old "bucket"/points system of progression.
I think it's more likely than not (60%?) that Delta loses (because the flow provisions of LOA 9 did "cease" to exist), but they don't care...they still get those 35 for the summer.
I'm still a yes vote, but clearly we are just pawns in Delta's game here. At the very least, they can no longer say they are opposed to contractual progression in principle.
05-25-2021 | 08:22 AM
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Even if it is just 1-2 classes they will be filled with boomer lifers who will probably perform terribly in training and make the rest of us look bad.
05-25-2021 | 08:23 AM
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[QUOTE=Dogecoin;3240153]Contract extensions should always be voted on. If this doesn't go to MEMRAT the pilot group should consider a recall of all the reps pushing this on us.[/QUOTE
What would be your reason for a no vote. Just curious. Assuming you would vote no.
What would be your reason for a no vote. Just curious. Assuming you would vote no.
05-25-2021 | 08:36 AM
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I have concerns over our flow being directly tied to Delta scope. We are just being used as pawns here for Delta to have additional lift over the summer (with planes that aren't even being operated by us).
I'm not comfortable at all about a contract extension without a full pilot vote on it.
This whole thing is being rushed by Delta since they know mainline is going to have extreme staffing problems this summer (as will we).
I'll have a better idea about the whole thing after the call with NJ this evening.
I'm not comfortable at all about a contract extension without a full pilot vote on it.
This whole thing is being rushed by Delta since they know mainline is going to have extreme staffing problems this summer (as will we).
I'll have a better idea about the whole thing after the call with NJ this evening.
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