Flow confirmed
05-25-2021 | 08:37 AM
#231
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im not so sure FM can be used. We are well on the way to recovery and given the billions they’ve been handed from the gov, their case for FM is incredibly weak. All ALPA has to do is point to the several huge mistakes they made regarding staffing over the last year.
05-25-2021 | 08:40 AM
#232
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There's no way Delta will even try to make a FM argument here. They could have dealt with this a year ago when Compass shut down but they refused to negotiate with us on any type of career progression, even when our union leadership offered temporary pay cuts.
05-25-2021 | 09:00 AM
#233
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Couldn't they use FM to argue they couldn't prevent the provisions of LOA 9 from ceasing to exist because of the pandemic?
05-25-2021 | 09:07 AM
#234
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They could have kept Compass afloat by not pulling the remaining Compass flying by the first week of April 2020. It's hard for a regional to exist if you pull the flying that it does for you.
05-25-2021 | 09:12 AM
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[QUOTE=Dogecoin;3240166]
I have concerns over our flow being directly tied to Delta scope. We are just being used as pawns here for Delta to have additional lift over the summer (with planes that aren't even being operated by us).
I'm not comfortable at all about a contract extension without a full pilot vote on it.
This whole thing is being rushed by Delta since they know mainline is going to have extreme staffing problems this summer (as will we).
I'll have a better idea about the whole thing after the call with NJ this evening.
I can understand your points, but voting no (if there were a vote) makes no sense. If it goes through, great. If it goes through until arbitration, we kick 20-80 off the top of our list, get a little movement, get rid of some double no’s, and then if they lose arbitration, the contract extension is null and void and we go back to how it is now anyway. If it does pass arbitration, then even better.
But the more likely result is it doesn’t go to arbitration. Delta and DALPA negotiate some sort of deal and DALPA gets something out of it.
no matter what, a no doesn’t make sense.
I have concerns over our flow being directly tied to Delta scope. We are just being used as pawns here for Delta to have additional lift over the summer (with planes that aren't even being operated by us).
I'm not comfortable at all about a contract extension without a full pilot vote on it.
This whole thing is being rushed by Delta since they know mainline is going to have extreme staffing problems this summer (as will we).
I'll have a better idea about the whole thing after the call with NJ this evening.
But the more likely result is it doesn’t go to arbitration. Delta and DALPA negotiate some sort of deal and DALPA gets something out of it.
no matter what, a no doesn’t make sense.
05-25-2021 | 09:46 AM
#236
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If Delta repurchased the Compass certificate, and started it back up, the LOA 9 would be back in effect. The question is whether DL mgt can exclude DALPA from an agreement penciling in Endeavor’s name as another carrier, and whether that flow down had to be continuously available during that process. It would be a true statement to say that, no flow down could have been granted by another carrier during the pandemic under the CARES Act.
05-25-2021 | 09:59 AM
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[QUOTE=13pro;3240186]
I can understand your points, but voting no (if there were a vote) makes no sense. If it goes through, great. If it goes through until arbitration, we kick 20-80 off the top of our list, get a little movement, get rid of some double no’s, and then if they lose arbitration, the contract extension is null and void and we go back to how it is now anyway. If it does pass arbitration, then even better.
But the more likely result is it doesn’t go to arbitration. Delta and DALPA negotiate some sort of deal and DALPA gets something out of it.
no matter what, a no doesn’t make sense.
You think those top 20-80 flowing would give a good impression of Endeavor to Delta and especially their training department? I don’t.
This will go to arbitration. Delta pilots have had enough of selling scope. Many ex RJ pilots among their ranks know how badly that damaged their careers forcing them into C scale wages for years.
I can understand your points, but voting no (if there were a vote) makes no sense. If it goes through, great. If it goes through until arbitration, we kick 20-80 off the top of our list, get a little movement, get rid of some double no’s, and then if they lose arbitration, the contract extension is null and void and we go back to how it is now anyway. If it does pass arbitration, then even better.
But the more likely result is it doesn’t go to arbitration. Delta and DALPA negotiate some sort of deal and DALPA gets something out of it.
no matter what, a no doesn’t make sense.
This will go to arbitration. Delta pilots have had enough of selling scope. Many ex RJ pilots among their ranks know how badly that damaged their careers forcing them into C scale wages for years.
05-25-2021 | 10:00 AM
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[QUOTE=13pro;3240186]
I can understand your points, but voting no (if there were a vote) makes no sense. If it goes through, great. If it goes through until arbitration, we kick 20-80 off the top of our list, get a little movement, get rid of some double no’s, and then if they lose arbitration, the contract extension is null and void and we go back to how it is now anyway. If it does pass arbitration, then even better.
But the more likely result is it doesn’t go to arbitration. Delta and DALPA negotiate some sort of deal and DALPA gets something out of it.
no matter what, a no doesn’t make sense.
It is literally a win win..get the flow..if dalpa wins extension goes away and mec and dal can renegotiate. We literally aren't giving up anything.
I can understand your points, but voting no (if there were a vote) makes no sense. If it goes through, great. If it goes through until arbitration, we kick 20-80 off the top of our list, get a little movement, get rid of some double no’s, and then if they lose arbitration, the contract extension is null and void and we go back to how it is now anyway. If it does pass arbitration, then even better.
But the more likely result is it doesn’t go to arbitration. Delta and DALPA negotiate some sort of deal and DALPA gets something out of it.
no matter what, a no doesn’t make sense.
05-25-2021 | 10:01 AM
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Compass was on their last legs anyways. Their Delta flying was already being wound down and AA flying wouldn’t have lasted much longer since AA was looking to consolidate their regional flying as well (cancelled contracts with Trans States and ASA/ExpressJet).
05-25-2021 | 10:11 AM
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What impression has the other 1200 former Endeavor pilots that already work there given? I think everyone knows flows come with baggage, and that would not reflect on the rest of the pilot group.
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