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05-25-2021 | 07:45 PM
#271
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I would imagine they rather see delta sell or burn the planes for the insurance money before dumping money into an investment that will take an enormous amount of time and effort to complete.
05-25-2021 | 07:46 PM
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Ok that’s a lot better of an answer, thank you, I agree btw. I wish your ALPA would say that instead of spreading complete bull$hit on “Oh, Delta would just sign the TA with OO”. GMAFB.
05-25-2021 | 07:49 PM
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05-25-2021 | 08:07 PM
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05-25-2021 | 08:08 PM
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We aren't exactly thrilled this is tied to scope. I'm sure the vast consensus is we wish it wasn't, our MEC tried to have it not tied but the company wouldn't give in. These are the cards that have been dealt to us, either we take it or bite the hand that feeds us.
05-25-2021 | 08:13 PM
#276
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So many great points made here. Also, so many still clueless to what's going on.
First off, if your MEC chooses to ratify this without a vote from all ~2000 of you. I would request a copy of their bank statements to see how much they were “bought” for.
Second, if you think it’s a coincidence that this many Delta pilots decided to descend onto your forums, it’s not. This is personal between Delta pilots and management as they’ve completely disregarded our contract in favor for what fits their needs. Just review any of the DALPA emails sent out lately.
Third, “scope lesson” the most important part of this deals with history. There once was a time when regionals didn’t exist. What happened was mainline pilots decided that it would be okay to allow management to create “B scale” regional airlines to handle short routes so the mainline pilot could be compensated at a higher level and management would be able to lease another Ferrari or two. Flash forward to today. The regional pilot, is now facing the choice “continue the existence of the B Scale regional airline?” Or tell management “NO! I do not want to contribute to the reduction of MAINLINE PILOT FLYING by allowing more RJs in the sky.”
I’ve said this once but some of you didn’t listen. This has absolutely nothing to do with you “Flowing” to Delta. This has everything to do with poor decisions made during “trying times” that lead to a severely undermanned operation when travel has rebounded way faster than they predicted. In other words, 35 rjs they desperately need airborne because 1800 senior pilots early retired and another ~1700 have been home for 10+months flying nothing but their lawnmowers around their yards because they couldn’t get furloughed due to “Cares”.
Literally the whole industry is watching what happens right now. Do you honestly think Delta can afford to shut you down when they are already sooooo far behind when it comes to staffing? NO! So demand that this goes to a vote and think about what implications there are for the future of this industry.
First off, if your MEC chooses to ratify this without a vote from all ~2000 of you. I would request a copy of their bank statements to see how much they were “bought” for.
Second, if you think it’s a coincidence that this many Delta pilots decided to descend onto your forums, it’s not. This is personal between Delta pilots and management as they’ve completely disregarded our contract in favor for what fits their needs. Just review any of the DALPA emails sent out lately.
Third, “scope lesson” the most important part of this deals with history. There once was a time when regionals didn’t exist. What happened was mainline pilots decided that it would be okay to allow management to create “B scale” regional airlines to handle short routes so the mainline pilot could be compensated at a higher level and management would be able to lease another Ferrari or two. Flash forward to today. The regional pilot, is now facing the choice “continue the existence of the B Scale regional airline?” Or tell management “NO! I do not want to contribute to the reduction of MAINLINE PILOT FLYING by allowing more RJs in the sky.”
I’ve said this once but some of you didn’t listen. This has absolutely nothing to do with you “Flowing” to Delta. This has everything to do with poor decisions made during “trying times” that lead to a severely undermanned operation when travel has rebounded way faster than they predicted. In other words, 35 rjs they desperately need airborne because 1800 senior pilots early retired and another ~1700 have been home for 10+months flying nothing but their lawnmowers around their yards because they couldn’t get furloughed due to “Cares”.
Literally the whole industry is watching what happens right now. Do you honestly think Delta can afford to shut you down when they are already sooooo far behind when it comes to staffing? NO! So demand that this goes to a vote and think about what implications there are for the future of this industry.
05-25-2021 | 08:19 PM
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This is crazy. While I agree with all of your points, you’re implying that it’s up to the Endeavor pilot group to stick up for the Delta pilot group. They(edv pilots) have literally nothing to do with this and it’s not up to them to turn down a guaranteed job at mainline because mainline pilots are ****ed off. That’s pretty gd arrogant in my mind. Fight your own battles. You want them to try to force Delta managements hand because they “need” Endeavor? Wow. They can turn out the lights at that place whenever they want and you know it. Not to mention they’ll just go right down the list to Republic or Skywest, buy one of them and insert their name into LOA 9. Jesus dude.
05-25-2021 | 08:24 PM
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This isn’t cards it's chess. And in chess, with the right moves, a pawn can become anything it wants to become when it out moves it’s opponent.
05-26-2021 | 02:58 AM
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Delta management sells Fear, Uncertainty, and Division. They create a problem and then they present a solution as if its the only possible solution on earth. That solution is always good for Delta management and terrible for the pilot group. You are badly mistaken if you think anything management offers a pilot group is good to go on the 1st iteration. This is a company that was printing billions a year and couldn't possibly negotiate a contract with its pilots in 2019 but in the midst of a pandemic and record losses was able to provide substantial management bonuses and golden parachutes to key executives who have bailed on this ship.
If your MEC doesn't let you vote, they need to be recalled and replaced. If this is taken to a vote and you vote yes, you're damning yourself by giving away mainline scope for free and you set a precedent of cowing to management demands which management will not forget. If Delta really wants those 35 RJs, they should bring them to mainline and hire appropriately to staff them.
If your MEC doesn't let you vote, they need to be recalled and replaced. If this is taken to a vote and you vote yes, you're damning yourself by giving away mainline scope for free and you set a precedent of cowing to management demands which management will not forget. If Delta really wants those 35 RJs, they should bring them to mainline and hire appropriately to staff them.
05-26-2021 | 03:02 AM
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I do not see this as a viable option. It’s incredibly costly to create a new airline out of thin air. Probably much more expensive than realized. Delta was losing 100 million a day just 1 year ago, and has just recently began turning a profit. You speak about shareholders, what shareholders want to see delta, the company that just finally became profitable again, spend millions and millions to create a new airline?
I would imagine they rather see delta sell or burn the planes for the insurance money before dumping money into an investment that will take an enormous amount of time and effort to complete.
I would imagine they rather see delta sell or burn the planes for the insurance money before dumping money into an investment that will take an enormous amount of time and effort to complete.
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