And here lies the conflict. How about a staple?

 

Dude, you’re such a joke. Too bad hiring processes don’t have a way to weed out people like you. All about yourself, to hell with anyone who comes after.

If the flow deal doesn’t include new hires who come after, that’s a garbage deal. We should all care about helping out those who come after, because it’s the right thing to do. I’m not saying you should turn down a flow deal that doesn’t include new hires, but you should definitely fight to get that changed. At the very least write your reps and let them know how you feel.

Not gleefully go on public forums and declare, “Screw em, we got ours!”

 

Guess it’s another one on the block list. I’ll never understand why people take the time to engage in such buffoonery.

 

You’re a joke. What have you done to help regional pilots get to mainline? Yes, I am selfish. It’s not my problem that new hires will not be included.

It wasn’t our union that said new hires should not be included. It was Delta. Go throw shade at your company. I’m not turning down a flow because delta wants to limit the faucet. Like I said not my problem.

 

You know some could say the same thing with the current seniority list. 4-5 years lost. Pilots that have paid 4-5 more years of dues and assuming flow happens will go after them. Point is we need to include everyone. When we disagree we lose.

 

Is this a hill you’re willing to die on? Would you give up flow to include new hires? That is what you need to ask yourself. Would I give up going to Delta in the event they pulled the deal just so you can say “I tried to include everyone”.

I’m not willing to risk losing a seniority number. Sorry.

 

Need to see the big picture first. I remember not too long ago seeing 1/4 of the pilot group get career progression. Definitely see your side though.

 

Negotiations are complex, the date of signing language protects you in case of a merger more than it screws new hires.

Mathematically 20 a month for 2,000 pilots is 100 months. Is your bridge agreement active for the next 100 months, or until the last ISL pilot flows? I doubt Delta has ever hired for 100 consecutive months. My pilot math says that would be 12/2011-3/2020. Not sure any time prior would even come close.

Still a 50/50 chance a Delta furlough comes down to your list in October when cares money runs out. Any time a Delta pilot flows down it adds months or years to your flow up.

I think Eagle started their flow in the late 90’s and some flowed in 1998, and the last from the original agreement flowed in 2017. They have had 2 or 3 different flow agreements since then.

Long way to go before a new hire is next up to bat for flow, and there is no agreement in place. Why is he/she owed that security from day 1 of Indoc.

 

When would it be signed?

 

road show is next week. So probably a vote the first or second week of June. But the vote will likely stay open for a week or two if I recall
probably signed mid June