Five93H

IMO a Masters of Aviation is pointless. What do you do with it? Offers nothing if you leave flying. Especially for those with a bachelors in aviation, you'd be better off diversifying rather than doubling down.

Yumyum

Oh so college makes you smart?

Who's the idiot ? 👈 I was just pointing out a different path to AA. One that might be a hell of a lot cheaper. Some of us didn't have mommy and daddy to pay our college tuition.

JesuitValen

I think you made a reasonable point, and one guy on the internet reacted unreasonably to it. In fairness, he is consistently weird in his reactions.

To change the mood, how about something spicy. A senior manager (i think hes an executive) obviously talking completely out of turn to a training manager in the hall, blurted out the 700s coming to Endeavor in Q3 and 175s to come on shortly after.

So if i remember correctly end of Q2 we stop taking extra 200s, so this means you'll switch over to 700s and 175s for growth halfway through the year.

Hold onto your hats i guess. Well no hats. I guess some of you have hats.

KSCessnaDriver

200 deliveries are spaced until December 2017... Go to TechOps on the company website for the exact schedule

AnotherWriter

I'll believe when I see it.

Also I'll start wearing the hat if we all get a $30/hr raise.

JesuitValen

Alright, then that manager must be doing some creative math or we'd be at breakneck growth. Can anyone figure out if we'd be able to accept 4 delieveries a month? Thats 40 a month plus whatever the trainig bubble is.

The number 3 a month sticks in my head for delieveries of 900s in the Mesaba days. Any old timers got a better memory than me?

JesuitValen

Lol. Wouldn't be the first time management got excited for nothing.

However, i think delta's happy with the Endeavor group and you may have the best problem of all soon, too many airplanes coming in for the pilots coming in. 200% for everyone! Sort of sorry I won't be around for it.

AnotherWriter

We lose about 20 a month to DL, plus 10 to others/retirement (that seems to be the trend, for every two we send to the mothership we lose one to something else).

We are probably averaging about 50 new hires a month, with a 15% washout is ~43 new pilots on line per month. So that's a net of about 13 new pilots a month. Which makes sense if you look at ISL 16-01 and 17-01, we are about 150 pilots larger.

We seem to like about 12 pilots per aircraft, but let's just assume 10 to make the math easier and be optimistic. We can take 1.3 airplanes per month, or about 15 per year. We have already made that commitment on the 200, so unless we start swapping out old 200s for 700s/E175s, I don't see how we take a lot of new jets this year beyond what is already planned. You could also make the argument that if we announced 175s with a west coast presence then our recruiting would increase dramatically.

JesuitValen

I didn't think about swapping out the older 200s. If you can kill the one class early (now) and grab up as many 7/9 as you can to ensure a future for Endeavor, you'd be stupid not to. Keep some 200s in atl where customers are used to them and lock up the regional jet for the future.

Hell, drop 2 200s for every one 7/9/175 and you'll probably put this place on solid footing for half a decade.

gojo

Is the washout rate really 15% now? Also, I believe if we got any of the above airplanes they would be transfers. We got a lot of good pilots recently when AW was looking bleak, and I think that would be the case again if someone was losing airframes to Endeavor. However, I'm very skeptical about this type of rumor. Because it seems to pop up every year and nothing happens. In fact, every time this pops up GoJet seems to get a better deal. They're going to lose 700's. Nope, now they're getting 7 900's and all is well. But they suck in New York, lets give them a Detroit base. There are weird things going on right now like Endeavor MX doing Express Jet MX, and the fact that they're bringing Dual class aircraft to New York. And I've heard from management that there will be two less Delta Connection carriers next year. Wait and see, but don't hold your breath