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Old 04-20-2018 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by musketeer
Log flight time by the legal definition. You are talking about 5-10 hours difference over the course of a year in NYC. I'm not religious, but my God, it's as simple as that. You are making highflights worthless posts tolerable; so I guess you've contributed.
It’s actually more like a 100 hour difference on 1000 hours, if average of 12 mins out of an average 2 hour flight are at the gate / pushback / disconnect.
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Old 04-20-2018 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by flydiamond
It’s actually more like a 100 hour difference on 1000 hours, if average of 12 mins out of an average 2 hour flight are at the gate / pushback / disconnect.
It all depends on when you release the parking brake. My guess is 5 minutes a leg. Probably 50 hours a year.
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Old 04-20-2018 | 07:42 AM
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Union and company.... When they both agree it must be right...

Q: What times should the pilots use for their logbooks?
A: The pilots should use the ACARS (OUT-IN) times for logbook times (as they do today). If that is not available, the logbook time can be referenced in Rainmaker. Select the pairing number and the last column shown (ActDur) is the OUT-IN time for the flight.


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Old 04-20-2018 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
Union and company.... When they both agree it must be right...

Q: What times should the pilots use for their logbooks?
A: The pilots should use the ACARS (OUT-IN) times for logbook times (as they do today). If that is not available, the logbook time can be referenced in Rainmaker. Select the pairing number and the last column shown (ActDur) is the OUT-IN time for the flight.
I think the union is just echoing the Company info, I don't think either of them have an FAA interpretation to support that.

For what it's worth we DO have a direct answer from the company/union of which times they're using for tracking various items.

I still wouldn't log more than 8 or 9 flight hours in my logbook but I guess that's up to each of us.
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Old 04-20-2018 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I think the union is just echoing the Company info, I don't think either of them have an FAA interpretation to support that.

For what it's worth we DO have a direct answer from the company/union of which times they're using for tracking various items.

I still wouldn't log more than 8 or 9 flight hours in my logbook but I guess that's up to each of us.
You sure are quick to admit you're new and know very little, but slow to call and find out why what the company says (and the union clarified) is correct. It's like you're half a professional pilot.
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Old 04-20-2018 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
You sure are quick to admit you're new and know very little, but slow to call and find out why what the company says (and the union clarified) is correct. It's like you're half a professional pilot.
FAR 1.1 is clear.
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Old 04-20-2018 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911
FAR 1.1 is clear.
Literally every pilot I've ever flown with logs block.

Also, I hope no one logged Hobbs time when they went through flight training, instructing, or cargo... Since it's almost universally based on battery on with engine running and has nothing to do with movement.

In my decade as a flight instructor I've never met someone that logged movement time in GA. Furthermore, the FAA reps I worked with logged and approved Hobbs logging.



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Old 04-20-2018 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
Literally every pilot I've ever flown with logs block.

Also, I hope no one logged Hobbs time when they went through flight training, instructing, or cargo... Since it's almost universally based on battery on with engine running and has nothing to do with movement.

In my decade as a flight instructor I've never met someone that logged movement time in GA. Furthermore, the FAA reps I worked with logged and approved Hobbs logging.



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Logging Hobbs time in GA, and out-in at the airlines, has been a close-enough approximation to 1.1 that has been generally accepted without the FAA bringing up the discrepancy.

But now that the plane tracks (and supplies) exact 1.1, that's much shakier ground to stand on. Especially with the fact that out-in will give times greater than 117 allows. Do you really want to deal with the possibility of having to answer for why you logged more than 9 hours in one day?
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Old 04-20-2018 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
Logging Hobbs time in GA, and out-in at the airlines, has been a close-enough approximation to 1.1 that has been generally accepted without the FAA bringing up the discrepancy.

But now that the plane tracks (and supplies) exact 1.1, that's much shakier ground to stand on. Especially with the fact that out-in will give times greater than 117 allows. Do you really want to deal with the possibility of having to answer for why you logged more than 9 hours in one day?
Good point was made earlier, be careful not to log more than 9. That was excellent advice.

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Old 04-20-2018 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911
FAR 1.1 is clear.
Man you guys are beating a dead horse. No one cares if you log Block or the new 0001. Better question to ask is has anyone ever been asked at an interview if they logged Block/Hobbs time or "forward movement" time? I'm pretty sure the answer is NO!!!!
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