Originally Posted by Cujo665

were you here before the bankruptcy?
it’s a shadow of what it was. If you live in base it can be okay. If you’re commuting it’s pretty darn bad. Many guys down to less than 8 days at home due to commutability issues. Nearly half the pilots on reserve at one time, that may have improved some but they’ve always had way more reserves than other carriers. They still do airport standby as a whole month line. They’ll assign as many airport standby shifts as they have seats in the crew quiet room. No long call, just short call. it’s not as bad living in base, Just don’t even get sick, have a family emergency, or even a death in the family. The union had to fight to get a guys missed assignment changed to bereavement because they just suck. They gave out missed assignments during ice storms that shut the airport down with no flights leaving. The stuff these clown pull on their pilots is ridiculous and most of the industry knows it.

the only guys getting a 6-7 year flow were pretty much those around 2015-2016 hires. It may come down a little as attrition picks up.

there was a time that Eagle-Envoy was a good deal. They literally had 50% of every new position at AA. That’s been so watered down that it’s not even the insurance policy it used to be. That’s why they’re paying $150k to bribe people to stay and flow to AA. Look, a no interview flow to AA and $150k isn’t even enough to stop their attrition problems.
what does that tell you?

They could easily fix it. Start treating the pilots like professionals. Stop harassing them over anything and everything. Get rid of Rick and Jane. Get together with the union and write some decent reserve rules. Fix all the contract loopholes and make the job worth keeping instead. Stop abusing your employees, not just the pilots.

look, with personnel and discipline now PRIA reportable guys are stupid to go to a place like Envoy where their answer to everything is a step letter. That will follow them around, and you’ll have to hold onto all the paperwork to prove they really were that petty. Yes, Envoy management is that far out of the norm.
I used to recommend Envoy to new pilots, but it’s just not the good deal it was anymore. There are much better options for new pilots.

Originally Posted by 3400

Alright well. I can count on one hand how many times I’ve sat airport standby. I’m a commuter and I don’t remember the last time I didn’t have 13 days at home in a month, maybe if you’re commuting from Juneau you might have less than 8 days at home but this isn’t my experience at all.

You’re saying it must be a horrible place to work because attrition is so high, but the reality is attrition is high at EVERY regional. People here are leaving because they’re getting better job opportunities, and that’s kind of the point of the regional. Nobody is making lateral moves to other regionals, the movement is to better airlines.

I’m not saying it’s perfect here, we might have some ground to cover for reserve rules and management has been brutal in the past (DFW ice storm is a prime example) but Envoy is not the pit of misery that you’re describing.

Originally Posted by 3400

Alright well. I can count on one hand how many times I’ve sat airport standby. I’m a commuter and I don’t remember the last time I didn’t have 13 days at home in a month, maybe if you’re commuting from Juneau you might have less than 8 days at home but this isn’t my experience at all.

You’re saying it must be a horrible place to work because attrition is so high, but the reality is attrition is high at EVERY regional. People here are leaving because they’re getting better job opportunities, and that’s kind of the point of the regional. Nobody is making lateral moves to other regionals, the movement is to better airlines.

I’m not saying it’s perfect here, we might have some ground to cover for reserve rules and management has been brutal in the past (DFW ice storm is a prime example) but Envoy is not the pit of misery that you’re describing.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

it has been better the past 1.5 years since Covid cut the schedules. It was not too long ago that commutability was a major issue. It will be again.
no, I’m saying if the job were a decent one and if flow was such a great deal they would NOT be having the crazy attrition.


everybody.

Originally Posted by TransWorld

You said on another thread you had been fired by Envoy three times. Why was it? Attitude? Performance? If it was negative attitudes voiced here, I can believe it.

My dad, who was a worker bee in Human Resources (not airlines) say never badmouth your current employer. Once you have left and are working at another company, d**n them until your heart’s content.

Where do you currently work?

Originally Posted by TransWorld

You said on another thread you had been fired by Envoy three times. Why was it? Attitude? Performance? If it was negative attitudes voiced here, I can believe it.

My dad, who was a worker bee in Human Resources (not airlines) say never badmouth your current employer. Once you have left and are working at another company, d**n them until your heart’s content.

Where do you currently work?

Originally Posted by Throwitaway

Don't ever trash a brother for putting their neck out and literally their job on the line doing union work.. I wish there were more with a spine and willing to go all in against management.. lord knows there are already too many in bed with management as it is. Shame on you, regardless of whether you agree with his posts.

Originally Posted by Chato

There has been no movement since covid, these guys holding junior reserve lines have been stuck there all that time, as far as commutability, lets just say that letting revenue passenger list for earlier flights at no cost hasnt helped either

Originally Posted by Cujo665

Thats the problem precisely. With the stagnation guys have been on reserve 2 or more years already. The improvements have been pay, hotels in base for cancellations, hotels in base at the start/end of a trip. The rest of the CBA is pretty much trash to what other carriers have.
some have no airport standby at all. Others have real short and long call with contractual carve outs on the first & last day for commutability. Others that do have airport standby are only 4 hour shifts and no more than like 5 a month.
The CBA and work rules are so non-existent because these people do not know how to run an airline without an army of reserves in standby, and the ability to reassign pilots at anytime for any reason.
it is not a well managed or employee friendly airline. They’re living on the name and reputation built by others long long ago; and even that has about worn out. The word is out, if you don’t actually live in ORD or DFW; stay far far away from “da Voy.” The other bases open and close on a whim, even when it’s obviously a mistake to close one.

just fly your schedule, stay out of union work that will involve confronting them on contract or fairness issues; build your hours and get the hell out as soon as you can. If you’re not already there, then instead go to Endeavor, then Republic/Skywest, then Mesa. Anything else will be facing hard times soon as the shortage worsens.

Originally Posted by UncreativeUser

I think things have gotten better since you left man, but I do agree that there are 2 people left (JE and RW) that stand in the way of a true transformation. All captains are pay band C now, the DFW CPO is an amazing person which is an improvement to the overall culture here. There’s still some ways to go though but this isn’t the dumpster fire it once was circa 2014


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