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02-02-2019, 05:25 PM
#531
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,457
Originally Posted by moon
You already buy that bridge from management. And wouldn't you rather have the work rules and pay rates to lose than to never have them?
Here's the problem you have. You can't have your cake and eat it.
Republic/Skywest/Endeavor have the work rules and/or pay rates, but they don't have the flow.
Flow clearly works as a recruiting and retention tool, because the classes are full and there is no mass exodus to EDV/RAH etc. A few guys complaining in APC is not going to change that.
I joined the company well aware of the pay rates, and I can live with the work rules, I live in base. For me, the big ticket items were DFW base, no wait for class date, and no training delays.
Instead of a cat, there should be Schrödinger's Regional Pilot.
Complaining about the flow and how it doesn't work, while not applying elsewhere because they are about to flow.
02-02-2019, 05:34 PM
#532
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
Originally Posted by dera
I'm thinking about reselling.
Here's the problem you have. You can't have your cake and eat it.
Republic/Skywest/Endeavor have the work rules and/or pay rates, but they don't have the flow.
Flow clearly works as a recruiting and retention tool, because the classes are full and there is no mass exodus to EDV/RAH etc. A few guys complaining in APC is not going to change that.
I joined the company well aware of the pay rates, and I can live with the work rules, I live in base. For me, the big ticket items were DFW base, no wait for class date, and no training delays.
Instead of a cat, there should be Schrödinger's Regional Pilot.
Complaining about the flow and how it doesn't work, while not applying elsewhere because they are about to flow.
Here's the problem you have. You can't have your cake and eat it.
Republic/Skywest/Endeavor have the work rules and/or pay rates, but they don't have the flow.
Flow clearly works as a recruiting and retention tool, because the classes are full and there is no mass exodus to EDV/RAH etc. A few guys complaining in APC is not going to change that.
I joined the company well aware of the pay rates, and I can live with the work rules, I live in base. For me, the big ticket items were DFW base, no wait for class date, and no training delays.
Instead of a cat, there should be Schrödinger's Regional Pilot.
Complaining about the flow and how it doesn't work, while not applying elsewhere because they are about to flow.
02-02-2019, 05:45 PM
#533
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,457
Originally Posted by moon
Then good luck to you. Hopefully you aren't still here in 10 years after expecting a 6 year flow. Done arguing with someone who has all of 3 or 4 months here. Glad you can accept a sub par contract.
It might be a sub par contract to you, but it isn't for me. Other option would be to commute, and as of now there are no regional contracts worth commuting for.
02-02-2019, 06:12 PM
#535
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,457
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Never gonna convince a new 175 FO not to love it here. Envoy doesn’t really expose them to reserve like the rest of us.
02-02-2019, 08:50 PM
#537
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,285
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Never gonna convince a new 175 FO not to love it here. Envoy doesn’t really expose them to reserve like the rest of us.
Give it a few months
02-02-2019, 09:10 PM
#538
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,457
Originally Posted by Varsity
They'll get displaced to 145CA and get a nice fat dose of "ENVOY'd".
Give it a few months
Give it a few months
It's ebbs and flows. If you get 145 as a new hire, you'll have a good chance to upgrade to the 175 if that's what you want. And the 175 new hires likely will get to fly the 145.
Then again - looking at the DCL/OCL seniority list. I don't think anyone can predict what will happen in 2 years when over half of them have flowed.
Maybe in 2 years there will be DEC 175 spots
02-03-2019, 07:46 AM
#539
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Originally Posted by dera
Can't wait. I heard it's a fun plane!
It's ebbs and flows. If you get 145 as a new hire, you'll have a good chance to upgrade to the 175 if that's what you want. And the 175 new hires likely will get to fly the 145.
Then again - looking at the DCL/OCL seniority list. I don't think anyone can predict what will happen in 2 years when over half of them have flowed.
Maybe in 2 years there will be DEC 175 spots
It's ebbs and flows. If you get 145 as a new hire, you'll have a good chance to upgrade to the 175 if that's what you want. And the 175 new hires likely will get to fly the 145.
Then again - looking at the DCL/OCL seniority list. I don't think anyone can predict what will happen in 2 years when over half of them have flowed.
Maybe in 2 years there will be DEC 175 spots
Two years out there is no way to know what this company will look like....
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