ORD is more expensive to live near the the airport. Overall living expenses are higher. And snow. Lots of snow.

DFW is cheaper overall, has some cold weather and when it gets icy you stay home.

 

I am only considering envoy for ORD just because I live 10 minutes away from the field . Does it look like ORD will be a base for some time? Trying to decide going with an ORD base or taking a fairly easy commute with higher pay and upgrade times .

 

Hard to say never with anything in this business, but I don't think anyone here has any reason to believe ORD would go away any time soon. ORD and DFW have been our largest 2 bases for a long time. The bases that closed were all much smaller. More than likely the other half of the 175's will be going to ORD next year. Unless there is a miracle and we get MIA back as a base again.

 

Don't know. Chicago is an amazing fun city to live in. Far better than DFW area with nothing but endless chain restaurants, strip malls, and cookie cutter suburbia neighborhoods. IMO. Yeah it gets cold in ORD, but so does Dallas with their miserable ice storms, it just not cold nearly as long. ORD is more expensive in general but its a better city in just about every aspect other than cheaper housing. DFW has historically been very senior compared to ORD as well, except for lately the 175 is thrown that off. For the other fleets DFW is still way more senior.

DFW area maybe better if you have a family full of kids and a tight budget, but for a single person, ORD easily wins.

 

Time to hold a line on the 145 in ORD is down to 5 months. I'm bidding 70% in base and can hold a line with 15 days off. Not much credit, but with 200% OT you can make it up, if you choose.

ORD is where the QOL is for junior guys on the 145. DFW was a miserable slog for me. ORD is much better, even with a longer commute.


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Any idea what equipment a new hire bidding ORD might get right now/in the coming weeks? Lots of discussion about the DFW 175 and such on here, but as I'll probably be one of the few bidding ORD it sounds like, I'm just curious if there are there pros and cons to the 145 vs. 700 for a new guy? Are there more turns per trip in the 145, and does this make a big difference to you guys? Is reserve time comparable on the two aircraft -- just read above that 145 is five months.. similar for 700?

To be clear -- I'm happy to be coming aboard, no matter what I fly, just trying to get a feel for things.

 

CRJ have longer flights, but overnights are usually on the same place. The e-145 have more legs but more variety of overnights and more places to go. You will be used more in the 145 than in the CRJ while on RSV. I usually fly 8 to 10 legs in 4 day, in the 145 you could fly 12+ flights. I've flown only 5 legs in one sequence in the last 12 months.

CRJ is better plane, E-145 is better jet to learn. The E-145 can fly slow, easier to slow down and land. The CRJ wants to go fast, doesn't want to slow down and land is more trickier.

I've flown both, I'm glad I started in the 145. Also as we keep upgrading the CRJ list should move faster.

 

I appreciate it -- that's very helpful, thanks!

 

They have been putting people in both, EMJ and CRJ. You could probably ask for one or the other to be honest. They would be glad to have someone not with a hard on for the 175 I would imagine.

I'm not sure the reserve time ORD CRJ FO, an ORD FO on here will have to pull a 3XP or 3BR and check where the junior line holder sits, I can't look at that code from my status. I just looked at the reserve list but it's hard to tell because a lot of the senior FO's on there are bidding reserve intentionally.

Having flown both the CRJ and thousands of hours in the EMB145. The CRJ 700 wins hands down in being a better airplane. It's much nicer to fly, quieter, more comfortable, way better performance, faster, higher, way better climb rate than the EMB, better radar, way better FMS, nicer in the back for passengers with a first class section, so you can get meals sometimes, just feels like a real jet. I don't know anyone who has flown both that would prefer flying the 145 everything else being equal scheduling or base wise.

The 145 isn't bad, it's just the CRJ is kinda like a Ford Mustang, sportier, has some power and a nicer cockpit, looks nicer, can be a little finicky at times. Where the 145 is like a Ford Focus, cheap, reliable, not much performance, basic minimal simple cockpit, but gets the job done. The 145 is a great transition aircraft for someone coming from a GA background though. The CRJ has a steeper learning curve.

The 145 is easier to fly, much easier to land, very forgiving with slow speeds and last minute high rate decents. It flies to more smaller uncontrolled places which can be funner and more challenging at times. It Generally does more legs per day and shorter distance flights but not always. Some people like more short hops, some people like a couple long legs a day. Just depends on the person. EMB is also a much bigger fleet so their is more scheduling variety, more options, more destinations.

So hard to say. Both have benefits. Me, I would take the CRJ though. I really liked flying it.

 

Give me the 145 any day of the week. I flew both airplanes and I would pick the 145 no questions asked.

His description is spot on but I would add a couple more. The heating in the CRJ is terrible. It sucks really bad when you have to preflight in the snow when it's below zero and the wind is 30knots. Also, the location of the PTT button is in a really awkward position on the CRJ.