New Envoy Information
06-30-2016 | 01:46 PM
#3621
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You mean like denying return days as per the contract ?
Pilots on EL are once again reporting their contractually required JM return days are being refused (3 choices/following month). If true, it sounds like Envoy pilots very contract has now become nothing more then an empty promise. ALPA will say "grieve it" and maybe in 18 months you'll get your return day.
I think Envoy pilots should just toss their CBA's into the closet for the rest of the Summer.
Why torture yourselves ?
Pilots on EL are once again reporting their contractually required JM return days are being refused (3 choices/following month). If true, it sounds like Envoy pilots very contract has now become nothing more then an empty promise. ALPA will say "grieve it" and maybe in 18 months you'll get your return day.
I think Envoy pilots should just toss their CBA's into the closet for the rest of the Summer.
Why torture yourselves ?
06-30-2016 | 01:52 PM
#3622
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Congrats on the Alegiant TA! You do work there right? Kinda surprising how you have a hard on for envoy and post nothing about Alegiant.
Let's just call a spade a spade. You hate envoy and want it to fail because they f'd you over somewhere in your life. Am I right?
Let's just call a spade a spade. You hate envoy and want it to fail because they f'd you over somewhere in your life. Am I right?
06-30-2016 | 02:32 PM
#3624
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That brings me back to my daily question. Who the heck would come to ENVOY? We have become the old Mesa, you come to envoy only if no one else will hire you.
06-30-2016 | 02:44 PM
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Did you read what he posted? And no they won't, envoy is denying everything, and accepting that they will lose grievances. They're just hoping they can get staffing up by then.
That brings me back to my daily question. Who the heck would come to ENVOY? We have become the old Mesa, you come to envoy only if no one else will hire you.
That brings me back to my daily question. Who the heck would come to ENVOY? We have become the old Mesa, you come to envoy only if no one else will hire you.
The pilot should be able to reasonably choose and know far enough in advance for the return day to be useful.
06-30-2016 | 03:01 PM
#3626
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I assume the process is that the PILOT gets to choose a day off for the stripping of a previous day lost, but give the company flexibility by selecting 3 choices. It sounds like the company believes they can just deny all requests if needed and TELL the pilot when THEY will give them the return day, if any in the next month.
The pilot should be able to reasonably choose and know far enough in advance for the return day to be useful.
The pilot should be able to reasonably choose and know far enough in advance for the return day to be useful.
06-30-2016 | 03:09 PM
#3627
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You assumed wrong. There is no requirement to select three different days. That was even posted on EL awhile ago from a grievance that was settled a couple of years ago over that very issue. Did you read it? You quote everything else on EL, I figured you would have noticed it.
What DOES Envoy have to offer a new hire? Short upgrades? No. 7-8 year upgrades at present. Flow? Iffy at best. Perhaps, if you want to wait 9 or 10 years, it could work out. Industry leading pay? No. Best contract? Even if it was, the company uses it like toilet paper so why bother? Great QOL? Bottom of the barrel in the regional industry.
06-30-2016 | 03:13 PM
#3628
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Actually you are wrong Mr. Recruiter. Guy on EL has had 3 different requests shot down.
What DOES Envoy have to offer a new hire? Short upgrades? No. 7-8 year upgrades at present. Flow? Iffy at best. Perhaps, if you want to wait 9 or 10 years, it could work out. Industry leading pay? No. Best contract? Even if it was, the company uses it like toilet paper so why bother? Great QOL? Bottom of the barrel in the regional industry.
What DOES Envoy have to offer a new hire? Short upgrades? No. 7-8 year upgrades at present. Flow? Iffy at best. Perhaps, if you want to wait 9 or 10 years, it could work out. Industry leading pay? No. Best contract? Even if it was, the company uses it like toilet paper so why bother? Great QOL? Bottom of the barrel in the regional industry.
06-30-2016 | 03:13 PM
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You assumed wrong. There is no requirement to select three different days. That was even posted on EL awhile ago from a grievance that was settled a couple of years ago over that very issue. Did you read it? You quote everything else on EL, I figured you would have noticed it.
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