Originally Posted by AcesHigh

You fellas on here whether you're for or against Envoy sound like the biggest group of High School senior chicks from the "I hate you squad" ever.

Funny thing is, I don't understand why we're all complaining about Envoy when realistically there's the same amount of complaints on just about every other regional airline on this forum...


CHOOSE YOUR POISON.

We get it, the regionals suck, picking a regional is like choosing Hillary or Trump with Compass being like Bernie Sanders.

They all have pro's and con's we all have lives and need to make a living , but to hear this constant complaining and bickering and crap slinging on here is the most trivial thing to me. I mean I'm not perfect, but how many hundred pages of the same crap are you going to wine about?

Now I'm not saying do what the pilots before us used to do, nor am I saying not to, but remember when Pilots didn't have the internet to complain and talk crap all the time so they had alternate methods of dealing with a situation they didn't like? That'd be better than this.

And funny as pilots, more than likely you're the same ones that will claim to be "professionals" but look how you carry yourself here. Acting like a bunch of kids.


Fellas, if you don't like where you're at simply find another airline to work for.

Not that easy I know.Some can't do that due to life, family, QOL issues?

But here's an idea, be patient and figure a way until you FIND a way. How about that for an idea. You folks make every situation a crap one without figuring a way to fix a situation or to make things work in your favor.

Heck, I got the offer for Envoy and I'm taking it well aware of what I may or may not be up against. I have my reasons for choosing, and I have an out if things don't work out(As we all should have the sense to have)

I'm saying this merely because I think its funny that one of you a$$hats will probably scope my profile, sift through my posts and call the FBI to figure out if I'm a recruiter or not 😂😂😂


You fellas are funny. It's cool to point out the good and the bad, but the way you vent out all this negative crap and the way you word things you sound like a 50 year old spanish woman with 3 ex husbands that hates life going through menapause.


Zulu Fox Friday guys..... I care zero about the negativity I may hear about this, quite simply because I don't let any person or job dictate how life turns out. You should have that mindset too and you might be better off.

Maybe I'm too optimistic meh.

Originally Posted by SkyWago

Aces, good for you!

Gotta at least try to see the trees through all this sleaze running around here on the internet.

Originally Posted by go skers

There's no requirement to request three different days.

Originally Posted by Jack03

That's weird. There's was a requirement to select three different days when I was there. I just quit in April.

Originally Posted by ag386

Congrats on getting out!

Originally Posted by eaglefly

If you're going to Envoy with your eyes open understanding the upgrade and flow projections aren't supported by the facts including attraction/attrition, that's good. This is a pilots forum though where pilots discuss/debate the good, bad and ugly, so if the reality of that is too annoying and you prefer only to hear harps and mandolins, this arena is probably not for you.
Personally, though I don't think you'll be escaping "negativity" by vacating this forum, as from most accounts, you'll deal with it on a day-to-day basis once you do get to Envoy (like all regionals). Regionals aren't happy places as you yourself acknowledge, so prepare to exist in an unhappy environment.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by AcesHigh

Firstly, thanks for the reply, secondly I do go into every situation with my eyes wide open.


Here's the thing what I feel like people are failing to realize.

I feel as though honestly folks coming into the regionals are like cattle that are being put through the slaughterhouse.

Just as there are flight schools out there knowing they will have a pipeline of flight instructors leaving as soon as they meet required minimums, the regionals know this as well.

Sure they can dangle the carrot above our heads with bonus's they can offer incentives here and there, but they also undoubtedly know that we have bigger career plans than being a lifer at a regional.

Why not your next move be your best move? Yes fight for what you think is a fair pay, yes fight for what is right, by all means do it, but in the same breath- get in, get out, and get paid. Aviation is about career advancement.

I mean if your goal is to fly mainline, by all means go for it, but as I had said previously, have that back up or that spade to rely on in case things don't go as planned.

I'm not trying to escape the negativity, most of what's written on this forum goes beyond negativity. It's moreso a dumpster of ****ed off individuals that I'd LIKE to call human-beings but forget on how to act like humans.

Too much mudslinging, bickering, huffing and buffing.

I'm all for a great debate hearing that bad, that good and everything inbetween but boy, over the years this website seems like a scene out of the movie "Idiocracy" (And once again, I'm not perfect)

I don't need the fancy violins, and cherubs feeding me grapes lol. But I think we all know we could be handling ourselves a little bit better around here.

Originally Posted by SkyWago

Aces, good for you!

Gotta at least try to see the trees through all this sleaze running around here on the internet.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

I hear what your saying, but airline pilots will always be airline pilots and it's in our nature to be combative to each other. After all, ghat's a major reason why this profession has descended to where it has gotten.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

If you're going to Envoy with your eyes open understanding the upgrade and flow projections aren't supported by the facts including attraction/attrition, that's good. This is a pilots forum though where pilots discuss/debate the good, bad and ugly, so if the reality of that is too annoying and you prefer only to hear harps and mandolins, this arena is probably not for you. Personally, though I don't think you'll be escaping "negativity" by vacating this forum, as from most accounts, you'll deal with it on a day-to-day basis once you do get to Envoy (like all regionals). Regionals aren't happy places as you yourself acknowledge, so prepare to exist in an unhappy environment.

Good luck.