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02-02-2017, 10:12 AM
#651
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Posts: 290
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
You put out numbers that Envoy would flow 40 per month starting in January. That was a bold face lie. No way around it. There was absolutely ZERO chance of that happening.
You say we are averaging 70'per month. Again a lie.
Our hiring numbers are very stong but when you have two combined months that have 140ish doesn't create an average. After 4-6 months then you can call it an average.
You over state the positive and completely disregard the negative. Until you can at least admit schedules are bad then your comments here are not welcome.
You say we are averaging 70'per month. Again a lie.
Our hiring numbers are very stong but when you have two combined months that have 140ish doesn't create an average. After 4-6 months then you can call it an average.
You over state the positive and completely disregard the negative. Until you can at least admit schedules are bad then your comments here are not welcome.
02-02-2017, 11:03 AM
#652
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Posts: 3,707
Explain then how the current qol fits in your big picture. Your positives are as I understand, quick upgrade and flow in 5 years. Those are not current positives they are futuristic, what the rest of us who point out the sad issues at envoy are present day, current daily issues which effect qol.
02-02-2017, 01:10 PM
#653
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 239
Originally Posted by cr700
I could say the same about you. You never post anything positive and fail to see the big picture. Perhaps when you upgrade and get some experience you may see things differently.
02-02-2017, 01:48 PM
#655
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 300
Originally Posted by cr700
I put out numbers that are accurate. I'm just pointing out that this guy has the right attitude. If we could just get the 10% of the negative Nancy's here to adopt this philosophy then maybe all of the negativity would be removed from here. As I say, 90% of Envoy pilots don't subscribe to or believe in all the negative hype thrown out here in this thread.
The flow is real and strong. You have evidence of that each and every month. What is it going to take for you to buy in?
The flow is real and strong. You have evidence of that each and every month. What is it going to take for you to buy in?
There are plenty of legitimate reasons why people are negative. Most of us don't want negativity either, but it's tough with current company culture.
Why don't you address legitimate concerns instead of resorting to ad hominem personal attacks?
02-02-2017, 02:52 PM
#656
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Originally Posted by cr700
I could say the same about you. You never post anything positive and fail to see the big picture. Perhaps when you upgrade and get some experience you may see things differently.
Positives:
2-2.5 year upgrades.
High FO pay
Flow to AA
Senior reserve for FOs
Good crews
150-200% OT
Massive amounts of new hires and upgrades.
175
Anything I'm missing? Anything you would like to add?
I would recommend anyone within driving distance to go to Envoy. If you commute, then that's a different story.
Is that enough positives for you?
02-02-2017, 02:54 PM
#657
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Joined APC: May 2016
Position: E175
Posts: 686
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
I am not negative. I just point out the facts. Plain and simple QOL is a huge drop from the norm. Lines are terrible and if you would fly them then you would know. The fact that we have no lines with 16 days off is bad. We are not able to drop trips. Reserve isn't very commutable.
Positives:
2-2.5 year upgrades.
High FO pay
Flow to AA
Senior reserve for FOs
Good crews
150-200% OT
Massive amounts of new hires and upgrades.
175
Anything I'm missing? Anything you would like to add?
I would recommend anyone within driving distance to go to Envoy. If you commute, then that's a different story.
Is that enough positives for you?
Positives:
2-2.5 year upgrades.
High FO pay
Flow to AA
Senior reserve for FOs
Good crews
150-200% OT
Massive amounts of new hires and upgrades.
175
Anything I'm missing? Anything you would like to add?
I would recommend anyone within driving distance to go to Envoy. If you commute, then that's a different story.
Is that enough positives for you?
02-02-2017, 03:18 PM
#658
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: FO
Posts: 793
Originally Posted by cr700
I could say the same about you. You never post anything positive and fail to see the big picture. Perhaps when you upgrade and get some experience you may see things differently.
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Not for regular schedules but I think OT is paid at the premium on the major holidays.
OT premium is paid just about every day right now.
OT premium is paid just about every day right now.
Many here respect you for not being annoying (extreemly negative or extreemly positive)
02-02-2017, 04:05 PM
#659
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 111
Originally Posted by cr700
I could say the same about you. You never post anything positive and fail to see the big picture. Perhaps when you upgrade and get some experience you may see things differently.
02-02-2017, 04:08 PM
#660
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by cr700
I could say the same about you. You never post anything positive and fail to see the big picture. Perhaps when you upgrade and get some experience you may see things differently.
Weak.
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