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#631
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
This. I've heard lots of horror stories about Griffin selling guys up the river to the FAA. If any issues pop up, he'll screw you. I highly recommend Dr. Krass. He's right down the street from the training hotel. His office is in Bedford. He's super cool, gets you out in 15-20 minutes, and will have your back with the FAA should the need arise. $95 if you don't need the EKG.
Same here. Griffin sent my app to the FAA. I ended up being without a medical for months. I use Mark Hammonds in North Richland Hills.
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#633
This. I've heard lots of horror stories about Griffin selling guys up the river to the FAA. If any issues pop up, he'll screw you. I highly recommend Dr. Krass. He's right down the street from the training hotel. His office is in Bedford. He's super cool, gets you out in 15-20 minutes, and will have your back with the FAA should the need arise. $95 if you don't need the EKG.
#635
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 63
Anyone crunch the numbers to see when first Envoy pilot hired after 12/23/14 is projected to flow? If the seniority list stays the same about 15 per month will flow in group 4 (180 per year). Seems like it will take longer than 6 yrs for those hired in 17' to flow moving forward.
#636
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 501
#637
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Position: Line holder, barely
Posts: 256
Anyone crunch the numbers to see when first Envoy pilot hired after 12/23/14 is projected to flow? If the seniority list stays the same about 15 per month will flow in group 4 (180 per year). Seems like it will take longer than 6 yrs for those hired in 17' to flow moving forward.
If they added 30/mo for 10/16 thru 1/2017 = 120 NH (8 months to flow them)
With NO attrition, I add the months 7 + 44 + 10 + 20 + 8 = 89 months + 10/2016 = 3/2024 flow date for a 2/2017 NH. 7 years!
or to answer your question, the first NH after 12/14 will flow at 61 months from 10/16, or 11/21.
However, attrition is huge - they have 1800 pilots. If one assumes 15/month (about 1%) attrition, which will be all senior to the NH in the beginning (though all junior at the end). This means a quicker flow.
So I would guess that 7 years is the outside number. I think they are posting inside 6 yr flow, and I think that is not outlandish. But don't think 3-4 years - no one is projecting that.
No, I don't work there.
#638
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,523
Anyone crunch the numbers to see when first Envoy pilot hired after 12/23/14 is projected to flow? If the seniority list stays the same about 15 per month will flow in group 4 (180 per year). Seems like it will take longer than 6 yrs for those hired in 17' to flow moving forward.
#639
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 854
From their own materials, (Q3 2016), they had 202 of the 824 group, flowing at 30/mo (7 months), 1109 of the Protected Pilot group flowing at 25/mo (44 months), 149 of the DOS group flowing at 15/mo (10 months), and 295 new hires after 12/14 flowing at 15/mo (20 months)
If they added 30/mo for 10/16 thru 1/2017 = 120 NH (8 months to flow them)
With NO attrition, I add the months 7 + 44 + 10 + 20 + 8 = 89 months + 10/2016 = 3/2024 flow date for a 2/2017 NH. 7 years!
or to answer your question, the first NH after 12/14 will flow at 61 months from 10/16, or 11/21.
However, attrition is huge - they have 1800 pilots. If one assumes 15/month (about 1%) attrition, which will be all senior to the NH in the beginning (though all junior at the end). This means a quicker flow.
So I would guess that 7 years is the outside number. I think they are posting inside 6 yr flow, and I think that is not outlandish. But don't think 3-4 years - no one is projecting that.
No, I don't work there.
If they added 30/mo for 10/16 thru 1/2017 = 120 NH (8 months to flow them)
With NO attrition, I add the months 7 + 44 + 10 + 20 + 8 = 89 months + 10/2016 = 3/2024 flow date for a 2/2017 NH. 7 years!
or to answer your question, the first NH after 12/14 will flow at 61 months from 10/16, or 11/21.
However, attrition is huge - they have 1800 pilots. If one assumes 15/month (about 1%) attrition, which will be all senior to the NH in the beginning (though all junior at the end). This means a quicker flow.
So I would guess that 7 years is the outside number. I think they are posting inside 6 yr flow, and I think that is not outlandish. But don't think 3-4 years - no one is projecting that.
No, I don't work there.
#640
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 854
Also don't forget there will be only 35% (with no metering) after the 824 until the 40th 175 is on property. It's probably only a month or two, but it is during the summer months, when AA in recent years have had smaller classes due to instructors having to fly the line (I have no idea if that will continue). And also don't forget to take into account super senior Captains who may reverse their previous decision to flow. When many of them said no before, they were working 18-day-off day trip lines for 90 hours. Now even the senior trips are (relatively) garbage. Also, some may go over to AA in their last years to take advantage of what they perceive to be better medical, or just to say they retired an AA pilot. Considering we have 350 or so lifers, this could slow down the flow for junior people here and there.
And then there is the question of what happens when we can no longer hire as many as are leaving...
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