What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
02-22-2013 | 06:13 AM
#2311
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Whats the feeling over on the CRJ side with the "lifers" who have been there for 10-15 years that said they were never leaving? Have a lot of them started to change their tune? Just curious, seems like a few of the perceived "lifers" on the ERJ side are starting to get motivated to leave.....
02-22-2013 | 06:29 AM
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Even after the reserves are assigned, you'll still be ednied all trip trades due to low coverage... usually it's 6 or 10 reservists that are missing and you'll never be able to trade anything. I personally haven't been able to execute an open-time trade (even same amount of days) for over 8 months now in both IAD and DTW.
And yes, that's what a lot of the senior guys I fly with say... they don't want to give up QOL to be an FO for the last 5-15 years of their career even though the money is decent. Most are still worried about being furloughed if they go to a major. Fine, let them think that. Less competition for those of us that want to go. Many of them couldn't take being an FO again... captain is too ingrained in them.
And yes, that's what a lot of the senior guys I fly with say... they don't want to give up QOL to be an FO for the last 5-15 years of their career even though the money is decent. Most are still worried about being furloughed if they go to a major. Fine, let them think that. Less competition for those of us that want to go. Many of them couldn't take being an FO again... captain is too ingrained in them.
02-22-2013 | 06:52 AM
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I'm not supporting the lifers but I can see where they are coming from. It's not always about the money and the "I can't afford to switch." I'm seeing more of the QOL as the deterrent. Reserve, weekend flying, potential commuting... etc.
Think about it, these people have been at our company for 15+ years and a lot of them are in their 40's. They have kids, get weekends off, fly naps or 3 day trips. Vacation is in the summer and sits between each calendar month where 65 hours is all they need on either side. Then they extend the 3 weeks of vacation over 6 months. Some have wives that make great money and chasing a 777 for $200 some an hour really isn't what they care about. If people don't need the money or have other priorities such as family, side businesses or anything else, what do you care?
"It's holding my back from upgrade"
"They are expensive and regionals were not designed to have the pay scale max out"
If you complain with quotes above, then don't come to the airlines. Welcome to seniority, what decision senior people do is really none of your business and who are you to question their decision.
Just my opinion.
Think about it, these people have been at our company for 15+ years and a lot of them are in their 40's. They have kids, get weekends off, fly naps or 3 day trips. Vacation is in the summer and sits between each calendar month where 65 hours is all they need on either side. Then they extend the 3 weeks of vacation over 6 months. Some have wives that make great money and chasing a 777 for $200 some an hour really isn't what they care about. If people don't need the money or have other priorities such as family, side businesses or anything else, what do you care?
"It's holding my back from upgrade"
"They are expensive and regionals were not designed to have the pay scale max out"
If you complain with quotes above, then don't come to the airlines. Welcome to seniority, what decision senior people do is really none of your business and who are you to question their decision.
Just my opinion.
02-22-2013 | 07:00 AM
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I'm not supporting the lifers but I can see where they are coming from. It's not always about the money and the "I can't afford to switch." I'm seeing more of the QOL as the deterrent. Reserve, weekend flying, potential commuting... etc.
Think about it, these people have been at our company for 15+ years and a lot of them are in their 40's. They have kids, get weekends off, fly naps or 3 day trips. Vacation is in the summer and sits between each calendar month where 65 hours is all they need on either side. Then they extend the 3 weeks of vacation over 6 months. Some have wives that make great money and chasing a 777 for $200 some an hour really isn't what they care about. If people don't need the money or have other priorities such as family, side businesses or anything else, what do you care?
"It's holding my back from upgrade"
"They are expensive and regionals were not designed to have the pay scale max out"
If you complain with quotes above, then don't come to the airlines. Welcome to seniority, what decision senior people do is really none of your business and who are you to question their decision.
Just my opinion.
Think about it, these people have been at our company for 15+ years and a lot of them are in their 40's. They have kids, get weekends off, fly naps or 3 day trips. Vacation is in the summer and sits between each calendar month where 65 hours is all they need on either side. Then they extend the 3 weeks of vacation over 6 months. Some have wives that make great money and chasing a 777 for $200 some an hour really isn't what they care about. If people don't need the money or have other priorities such as family, side businesses or anything else, what do you care?
"It's holding my back from upgrade"
"They are expensive and regionals were not designed to have the pay scale max out"
If you complain with quotes above, then don't come to the airlines. Welcome to seniority, what decision senior people do is really none of your business and who are you to question their decision.
Just my opinion.
02-22-2013 | 07:07 AM
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Failed airlines, some majors...
Taken from airlners.net
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02-22-2013 | 07:39 AM
#2316
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Seriously, I don't feel disrespected or under appreciated (other than pay) because I'm "regional FO." I don't get all these supposed slight of hand examples you guys have pointed out in this thread. How is doing a preflight or post flight being disrespected or under appreciated. And hotel key card what? What is that about? And who are these people that dont look at you as a "real pilot" or as an annoying apprentice? Honestly, I don't get it. Maybe some people are too sensitive or maybe some people are too sled-conscious or maybe your life is all about being an "airline captain" or maybe some people need to over compensate and feel that being a captain will do that for them? I really think people just reflect on themselves what they feel about themselves.
If you like doing walk arounds, you can do them all day long as a captain. If you don't like doing them as an F.O. you have no choice. I can probably count on one finger the number of times a captain volunteered to do the duties of the F.O. This would lead one to believe that it is desired to not have to do them.
The point is, chasing a quick upgrade isn't just for getting PIC time or getting paid more. There are many perks to being assigned to the left seat. And getting stuck with no choice in the right seat can be a drag. I think most could agree with that. But I'm sure someone has a completely differing view on all of this.
Unstacking must be eliminated! Especially in a non-holiday month. While I do agree PBS is far superior to line bidding, unstacking tends toward a globalized system! Can anyone involved please explain why we need to unstack in early March!?!? Sounds like understaffing to me!! I was told we fought long and hard against globalization!
This isnt a knock at the ASA pilot group, but what it comes down to is ASA management is used to running a small airline that barely flew across state lines...... The New "Expressjet" is much much larger, has a much more dynamic route structure, has additional bases in ORD, EWR, IAH, CLE, IAD, IAH etc. The ASA M/X program is a joke. When I started at XJT almost 7 years ago, airplanes simply did not have MEL, and if they did, they were fixed the next day. The airplanes now carry MULTIPLE MELs for days on end. The "ASA" way of doing things is to not "stock" parts because that costs money. (apparently the hundreds of millions of dollars Skywest has isnt enough to stock parts in major hubs). Schedulers are overworked and under-paid and don't know the contract, nor do they care to. The Dispatchers are new, they don't know much and half the time dont get back to you via ACARS and if they do, it's usually a message "You aren't the only A/C in the world".............its pathetic.
The bottom line is XJT used to be run like a major airline until ASA came around and decided they would run it "their way". The result is a De-evolution of a once great airline.
The bottom line is XJT used to be run like a major airline until ASA came around and decided they would run it "their way". The result is a De-evolution of a once great airline.
Last edited by Nevets; 02-22-2013 at 08:01 AM.
02-22-2013 | 09:22 AM
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I'm not supporting the lifers but I can see where they are coming from. It's not always about the money and the "I can't afford to switch." I'm seeing more of the QOL as the deterrent. Reserve, weekend flying, potential commuting... etc.
Think about it, these people have been at our company for 15+ years and a lot of them are in their 40's. They have kids, get weekends off, fly naps or 3 day trips. Vacation is in the summer and sits between each calendar month where 65 hours is all they need on either side. Then they extend the 3 weeks of vacation over 6 months. Some have wives that make great money and chasing a 777 for $200 some an hour really isn't what they care about. If people don't need the money or have other priorities such as family, side businesses or anything else, what do you care?
"It's holding my back from upgrade"
"They are expensive and regionals were not designed to have the pay scale max out"
If you complain with quotes above, then don't come to the airlines. Welcome to seniority, what decision senior people do is really none of your business and who are you to question their decision.
Just my opinion.
Think about it, these people have been at our company for 15+ years and a lot of them are in their 40's. They have kids, get weekends off, fly naps or 3 day trips. Vacation is in the summer and sits between each calendar month where 65 hours is all they need on either side. Then they extend the 3 weeks of vacation over 6 months. Some have wives that make great money and chasing a 777 for $200 some an hour really isn't what they care about. If people don't need the money or have other priorities such as family, side businesses or anything else, what do you care?
"It's holding my back from upgrade"
"They are expensive and regionals were not designed to have the pay scale max out"
If you complain with quotes above, then don't come to the airlines. Welcome to seniority, what decision senior people do is really none of your business and who are you to question their decision.
Just my opinion.
02-22-2013 | 09:56 AM
#2318
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The way it works is our management likes to wait until Friday at about 5pm to post any vacancy/displacement notices and then bolt from the A Tech as fast as they can. That way they don't have to answer the barrage of phone calls and emails until the furor over it has died down some over the weekend.
02-22-2013 | 09:58 AM
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5pm!? I would suspect it's a ghost town at A-Tech well before 5pm on a friday
02-22-2013 | 12:57 PM
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