What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
10-23-2013 | 06:32 PM
#4521
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Not at all what I am saying regard the split. Here was my historical example: In August, I missed a line for two reasons:
1) The three day that was available starting on the 1st put me over my 30/7. If they took the last two legs, I would have qualified.
2) The 4 day that was available left me at only 10 days off. If they took the last 4 legs (last leg of day 3 plus the 3 legs on day 4), again I would have qualified.
There is no reason PBS can't have an algorithm built to recognize this staus as you get to the bottom of the list so the senior person doesn't get hosed over while a junior person gets a line.
As far as I am concerned, if the company says there are 55 lines available, the first 55 people senority wise should get them unless they decide otherwise (which will never happen under our current reserve rules). Now for that matter, do we really need 15 reserves for 50 lines like next month in IAD?
1) The three day that was available starting on the 1st put me over my 30/7. If they took the last two legs, I would have qualified.
2) The 4 day that was available left me at only 10 days off. If they took the last 4 legs (last leg of day 3 plus the 3 legs on day 4), again I would have qualified.
There is no reason PBS can't have an algorithm built to recognize this staus as you get to the bottom of the list so the senior person doesn't get hosed over while a junior person gets a line.
As far as I am concerned, if the company says there are 55 lines available, the first 55 people senority wise should get them unless they decide otherwise (which will never happen under our current reserve rules). Now for that matter, do we really need 15 reserves for 50 lines like next month in IAD?
Strictly speaking of ASA side, there is now a lot of guys who never had experience with line bidding. For the most part, your bidding fixes come across as naive and without foresight. (not just Jax)
Doesn't PBS produce ~10-15% more lines than before? This comes at the expense of line holders and their ability to swap with open time.
If you want to talk about scheduling section mods: Reserve Rules. I've not had to sit reserve under c2007, but I definitely feel for those that have.
10-23-2013 | 06:44 PM
#4522
Da Hudge
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Word on the street is there will be a TA by summers end. The SLI will somewhat favor the ASA side. It is also being said that do not be to surprised if Delta comes in and buys some of the pilot group if not all. With Delta's lightning speed contract TA, and what looks like the same with Expressjet, makes one wounder why the rush. let's just say there is something in the works. Can't say much for the other regionals, but it appears that this Delta TA will benefit the new Expressjet, more than any other regional, for the better. Things are definitely looking good as time goes forward.
World's worst crystal ball?
10-23-2013 | 06:45 PM
#4523
Line Holder
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Somewhere along the line one of your union know it alls deduced that being bought could hurt your negotiating position, particularly in the SLI, so they told you all to spin it that you weren't acquired and are on the same level as us. You all foolishly seem to believe if you say it on enough forums it will become true. Of course it won't, but under modern merger law and policy, being acquired doesn't automatically lead to a staple job like it used to. I'm sure the arbitrator with give you guys something. Maybe a 1:3 like Pinnacle or a 10 year upgrade cap like AirTran. You never know. Either way, this annoying spin of who bought who on the forums is needless at best and annoying for sure. But I don't think any experts (outside of the pipe experts) disagree that Expressjet Airlines would have been out of business by now had the not been purchased, regardless of whoever actually bought you.
10-23-2013 | 08:20 PM
#4525
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From: Airbus button pusher
Only a lifer would justify that ASA bought expressjet. BUTT OUT FO TONY!
10-24-2013 | 04:56 AM
#4526
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From: EMB 145 FO
Well... actually, ASA bought you with money from SkyWest Inc. when the buyout first took place (before the TPA) you were a wholly owned sub of ASA, not SKYW because they wanted to shield the non union side. So technically ASA did buy you. Not that it matters.
Somewhere along the line one of your union know it alls deduced that being bought could hurt your negotiating position, particularly in the SLI, so they told you all to spin it that you weren't acquired and are on the same level as us. You all foolishly seem to believe if you say it on enough forums it will become true. Of course it won't, but under modern merger law and policy, being acquired doesn't automatically lead to a staple job like it used to. I'm sure the arbitrator with give you guys something. Maybe a 1:3 like Pinnacle or a 10 year upgrade cap like AirTran. You never know. Either way, this annoying spin of who bought who on the forums is needless at best and annoying for sure. But I don't think any experts (outside of the pipe experts) disagree that Expressjet Airlines would have been out of business by now had the not been purchased, regardless of whoever actually bought you.
Somewhere along the line one of your union know it alls deduced that being bought could hurt your negotiating position, particularly in the SLI, so they told you all to spin it that you weren't acquired and are on the same level as us. You all foolishly seem to believe if you say it on enough forums it will become true. Of course it won't, but under modern merger law and policy, being acquired doesn't automatically lead to a staple job like it used to. I'm sure the arbitrator with give you guys something. Maybe a 1:3 like Pinnacle or a 10 year upgrade cap like AirTran. You never know. Either way, this annoying spin of who bought who on the forums is needless at best and annoying for sure. But I don't think any experts (outside of the pipe experts) disagree that Expressjet Airlines would have been out of business by now had the not been purchased, regardless of whoever actually bought you.
10-24-2013 | 06:34 AM
#4527
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From: PNF
Any word on contract negotiations? They've been pretty quiet recently. But as always "We're close!"
10-24-2013 | 11:36 AM
#4529
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Somewhere along the line one of your union know it alls deduced that being bought could hurt your negotiating position, particularly in the SLI, so they told you all to spin it that you weren't acquired and are on the same level as us. You all foolishly seem to believe if you say it on enough forums it will become true. Of course it won't, but under modern merger law and policy, being acquired doesn't automatically lead to a staple job like it used to. I'm sure the arbitrator with give you guys something. Maybe a 1:3 like Pinnacle or a 10 year upgrade cap like AirTran. You never know. Either way, this annoying spin of who bought who on the forums is needless at best and annoying for sure. But I don't think any experts (outside of the pipe experts) disagree that Expressjet Airlines would have been out of business by now had the not been purchased, regardless of whoever actually bought you.
Anyway, SLI, like any SLI will be argued on the merits that each side make to a neutral arbitration panel. The semantics of who bought who are irrelevant.
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