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01-22-2014 | 01:07 PM

#5021

ASAnotASAP

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Originally Posted by What

This is a flat out lie, I don't fly the CR2 but on a 2 hr flight you will burning over 3k lbs of gas, that's $1,300+ just on gas and I know this is very conservative. Add to that crew, maintenance, insurance, leases and other cost related including back office folks and these RJs cost thousands of dollars an hr to operate. If endeavor did it for sub 400 an hr these airplanes would make a profit with just the folks sitting on the exit row!!!! Please don't come here spewing garbage.

Fuel and some maintenance costs (engine overhauls) are reimbursed by Delta.

01-22-2014 | 01:19 PM

#5022

What

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Originally Posted by ASAnotASAP

Fuel and some maintenance costs (engine overhauls) are reimbursed by Delta.

Doesn't matter, the OP states that the operational cost were sub $600, even if you take fuel out of the equation that figure is low. Just in crew member wages you would be over $150, and this doesn't account for all of the crew cost. Add ion the dispatchers, ramp, gate agent, and the list goes on and on.

With that said, next time they say they can't make money because of the pilots cost, you can remind them of how we are such a small part of the pie.

01-22-2014 | 02:16 PM

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SkyWest has a CPA with Delta for 200 flying over the next 5 years. Delta would have to buy them out. Bendover is wholly owned with no CPA and thus their airplanes can be parked tomorrow. That's the difference.

Delta can do whatever they want, they hold all the cards. Bendover had a CPA with Delta through 2020, how is that working out for them? You work for a contractor in an industry where it will be near impossible to make money in the next couple years. Get ready for the unexpected, things are changing quickly.

01-22-2014 | 02:58 PM

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AlaskaBound

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Anyone who's worked for a DCI carrier that's been bent over knows that contracts mean absolutely nothing. They are meant to be broken. Just wait for it. Delta does what it wants and they have smart accountants/lawyers who can weasel their way out of anything. Delta won't be held back nor told what to do by ANY of its regional carriers... Including the mighty SkyWest.

01-22-2014 | 03:04 PM

#5025

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I had no idea Skywest was mighty.

01-22-2014 | 03:50 PM

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I just report the numbers from a reputable aviation analytical organization. "Flight Operations Expense This includes pilots, training, fuel/oil, leases and even benefits."

Airline Aircraft Specific - Audries Aircraft Analysis

Airline Aircraft Specific - Audries Aircraft Analysis

Another interesting comparison is Express Jet cost of $.042 per seat mile vs Endeavor $.029 per seat mile.

01-22-2014 | 04:06 PM

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Another interesting note... Bendover yes voters who didn't pass the SSP, what went wrong fellas? Thought that was the reason for a "yes vote"???
Chumps...

01-22-2014 | 04:08 PM

#5028

80ktsClamp

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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot

I just report the numbers from a reputable aviation analytical organization. "Flight Operations Expense This includes pilots, training, fuel/oil, leases and even benefits."

Airline Aircraft Specific - Audries Aircraft Analysis

Airline Aircraft Specific - Audries Aircraft Analysis

Another interesting comparison is Express Jet cost of $.042 per seat mile vs Endeavor $.029 per seat mile.

Delta must be picking up the tab on fuel for both carriers, because the CRJ-200 burns about 400 gallons of fuel per hour...

01-22-2014 | 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Slats

Another interesting note... Bendover yes voters who didn't pass the SSP, what went wrong fellas? Thought that was the reason for a "yes vote"???
Chumps...

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.[2] Fallacious Ad hominem reasoning is normally categorized as an informal fallacy,[3][4][5] more precisely as a genetic fallacy,[6] a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.[7] Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact.

01-22-2014 | 04:38 PM

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Your source isn't reliable. Look at their block hour graphs and you will see they are completely inaccurate with showing massive losses in e145 bock hours in 2013 affecting the block hour costs. Our true operating costs aren't reported and the true cost charged to a mainline partner is completely dependent on the individual contract. Looking at pilot costs as a factor in who will get future flying is idiotic. If Skywest with their financial backing, pilots, and solid management don't make you a little nervous then you don't know what you are talking about. The regional model is critically broken going forward and UAL and DAL are looking at options outside of the normal fee for departure model from the past.