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07-05-2014 | 08:07 PM
#6671
sippin' dat koolaid
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From: gear slinger
You are missing the point... There always will be pilots with no values or respect to the profession. However, most of the regional industry compiled of pilots with values, who will never go work for mesa or gojets type airlines. The fact of life is, XJT/SKYW/Envoy/ RAH/ AW are almost 15k pilots that are not willing to sell the profession short... Mesa+GoJets+PSA are ~1900 all together.
07-05-2014 | 08:28 PM
#6672
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2013
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From: PA34-200
The only reason management can get away with such crappy contract is because they are able to attract new bodies... You knew before you applied to Mesa that the contract is one of the worst in the industry and you still applied... So the pilots are to blame just as much as management.
07-05-2014 | 08:46 PM
#6673
sippin' dat koolaid
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From: gear slinger
The only reason management can get away with such crappy contract is because they are able to attract new bodies... You knew before you applied to Mesa that the contract is one of the worst in the industry and you still applied... So the pilots are to blame just as much as management.
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07-06-2014 | 05:12 AM
#6674
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He was called a douche for implying that the poster was an idiot for having poor comprehension skills of a fellow coworker. As for the opinion, I did not perceive it as one. The poster was passing that information off as fact that was later dissected by the ASA MEC Chair. Honestly, he wrote that stuff as:
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07-07-2014 | 01:25 PM
#6675
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Joined: Jul 2013
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With attrition like this how long do you think they can stop the hiring...
07-07-2014 | 04:45 PM
#6679
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Joined: May 2014
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PURE SPECULATION on my side: The CRJ IAD operation has 166 pilots staffing the base, should it close and/or the flying cannot be renewed in 2015, those pilots will filter back into the system which wipes out the attrition gained in 2014.
Bad news=Should this occur all attrition gains in 2014 are wiped out and another year of literally moving nowhere hits all FO's and junior CA's.
Good news=Attrition in 2014 removes any need to furlough in 2015.
Just thinking out loud, this might be the reason why L-ASA is skittish to hire as the IAD flying as well as 2015 DAL flying/block hours are not 100% confirmed either way. Again, it's pure speculation...but the good news for now is that people are moving up faster now than they have been for 3+ years any many FO's stuck on RSV or flying weekend lines are seeing a slight QOL improvement (assuming you're not on the ATL CR7). Now, we just need some upgrades...
07-08-2014 | 06:42 AM
#6680
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July seniority list was put out today on the L-ASA side, I moved up 19 spots between June and July, and since January 2014 I've moved 86 spots in master seniority, as have most FO's hired after 7/2007. 86 spots after 6 full months (July attrition will be shown on the Aug 2014 seniority list) puts us on track to lose just over 170 pilots in 2014.
PURE SPECULATION on my side: The CRJ IAD operation has 166 pilots staffing the base, should it close and/or the flying cannot be renewed in 2015, those pilots will filter back into the system which wipes out the attrition gained in 2014.
Bad news=Should this occur all attrition gains in 2014 are wiped out and another year of literally moving nowhere hits all FO's and junior CA's.
Good news=Attrition in 2014 removes any need to furlough in 2015.
Just thinking out loud, this might be the reason why L-ASA is skittish to hire as the IAD flying as well as 2015 DAL flying/block hours are not 100% confirmed either way. Again, it's pure speculation...but the good news for now is that people are moving up faster now than they have been for 3+ years any many FO's stuck on RSV or flying weekend lines are seeing a slight QOL improvement (assuming you're not on the ATL CR7). Now, we just need some upgrades...
PURE SPECULATION on my side: The CRJ IAD operation has 166 pilots staffing the base, should it close and/or the flying cannot be renewed in 2015, those pilots will filter back into the system which wipes out the attrition gained in 2014.
Bad news=Should this occur all attrition gains in 2014 are wiped out and another year of literally moving nowhere hits all FO's and junior CA's.
Good news=Attrition in 2014 removes any need to furlough in 2015.
Just thinking out loud, this might be the reason why L-ASA is skittish to hire as the IAD flying as well as 2015 DAL flying/block hours are not 100% confirmed either way. Again, it's pure speculation...but the good news for now is that people are moving up faster now than they have been for 3+ years any many FO's stuck on RSV or flying weekend lines are seeing a slight QOL improvement (assuming you're not on the ATL CR7). Now, we just need some upgrades...
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