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Old 09-17-2014 | 10:51 AM
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That's not what I said. I'm not trying to convince anyone our failed negotiations are single handedly CA tonys fault. That is ridiculous. The union is much larger than one very small minded individual. What I am saying is the fact that someone of CA tonys caliber is on the negotiation committee is very telling about ASA's union leadership. It's scary that they would even allow themselves to be associated with him. His post are so inflammatory that you would think he comes on here to flame bait, but he does not. He is just telling everyone what he really thinks, which if you read his previous post does not shine brightly on his character. He obviously is not a leader, but a divider. Who wants a person like that to be leading negotiations of two companies during a merger?
You really don't get it do you? We're done trying to work with your side. It simply isn't possible. Your culture is too different for this to ever work. Our MEC is protecting our pilots. There is no reason to try and make this work anymore. The last of the United re-fleeting aircraft were just given to Republic. Your flying is going to be replaced by Mesa, SkyWest, and Republic. You made your bed, now go climb in it and quit worrying about our MEC.
Old 09-17-2014 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
No, what's really funny is that you're making character assessments based on posts on an anonymous message board. Maybe, just MAYBE the people calling the shots know me better than you do, and keep me around for a reason...?
Everyone knows who you are. You have shown your character on this board already.
Old 09-17-2014 | 11:06 AM
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Just do whatever you think you can do, tough guy.
Old 09-17-2014 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
You really don't get it do you? We're done trying to work with your side. It simply isn't possible. Your culture is too different for this to ever work. Our MEC is protecting our pilots. There is no reason to try and make this work anymore. The last of the United re-fleeting aircraft were just given to Republic. Your flying is going to be replaced by Mesa, SkyWest, and Republic. You made your bed, now go climb in it and quit worrying about our MEC.
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Old 09-17-2014 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Funny how the two people asking for me to be removed have admitted they work for XJT and are new APC members. Seems to me the XJT MEC finally figured out how to use the interwebs. ASA pilots, if they want me out this badly, sounds likr they're losing. And they can talk unity all they want, what I've seen them do behind closed doors sure ain't unity. The ASA MEC represents the interests of the ASA pilots. NOT the joint group. We are separate MECs and will be for the foreseeable future.
I'm a reader not a poster. Been at XJT since 2006. I joined APC in 2011 and if that is "new" to you then thats fine. I have no affiliation with the MEC. The only union work I do is new hire mentorship which is a volunteer position.

There is blame to go around on both sides. It's definitely is not all one or the others MEC's fault. It's a shared responsibility. But I must say we do not have members of our NC on APC blaming and belittling other pilots and saying this kind of things CA tony says. It just does not look good and is not the right thing to do. The only good thing is that all ExpressJet pilots can see what the ASA's NC's true colors are.

Where are the normal line ASA pilots? Why do you not put and end to this? I would be embarrassed and outraged if one of our union leaders where doing what CA tony is doing. Do you care? Please provide feedback.
Old 09-17-2014 | 11:19 AM
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Crickets.........

(Dude, it's APC. You know, an anonymous message board... where people go to spread rumors, and entertain themselves... you must really be a hoot on an overnight).
Old 09-17-2014 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by captlonestar
I'm a reader not a poster. Been at XJT since 2006. I joined APC in 2011 and if that is "new" to you then thats fine. I have no affiliation with the MEC. The only union work I do is new hire mentorship which is a volunteer position.

There is blame to go around on both sides. It's definitely is not all one or the others MEC's fault. It's a shared responsibility. But I must say we do not have members of our NC on APC blaming and belittling other pilots and saying this kind of things CA tony says. It just does not look good and is not the right thing to do. The only good thing is that all ExpressJet pilots can see what the ASA's NC's true colors are.

Where are the normal line ASA pilots? Why do you not put and end to this? I would be embarrassed and outraged if one of our union leaders where doing what CA tony is doing. Do you care? Please provide feedback.
I'm a normal line ASA pilot and I talk to many normal line ASA pilots. CA Tony is only echoing what many of us feel. The whole PBS thing has many of us really fed up with your side. We like our system and you don't seem to really even know how it works yet you think you know better than we do. That doesn't sit well with this normal line ASA pilot.
Old 09-17-2014 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartender
I'm a normal line ASA pilot and I talk to many normal line ASA pilots. CA Tony is only echoing what many of us feel. The whole PBS thing has many of us really fed up with your side. We like our system and you don't seem to really even know how it works yet you think you know better than we do. That doesn't sit well with this normal line ASA pilot.
We have a PBS transition in place that will allow you to use your PBS for the duration of the next contract. The contact after that we would get to compare our PBS systems and make educated decisions about which system we want to keep. What is wrong with that? How is that not a great compromise that both sides can live with?

Also, our line bidding allows us a great QOL and excellent work rules. We are going to protect that QOL fiercely with rules in SmartPerf. Why not at least see what we can come up with? You never know it might be better than your current system
Old 09-17-2014 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hou757
Well put! ASA guys take action! By removing this guy and others like him we just might see some progress.... Progress that benefits BOTH sides. You MUST get this guy off of your negotiating team..
We are. You just don't like it.
Old 09-17-2014 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hou757
No different than you trying to force FlightLine on us. The last TA actually had a fare agreement for PBS for both sides. If we were going to "shove" anything it would be Line Bidding..

Remove Capt. Tony ASA folks! We need unity!
And there was an agreement by DA that if we held off for 45 days on a arbitration on PBS that he would have an answer whether you will continue work on SP. A week after the agreement DA said that he had no intent to honor the agreement.

So what were those words of unity you were using?
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