In 3 days, we have had 9 different UPS pilots post on this thread. The #5 post, only 90 minutes in, was from a UPS troll who immediately went negative. WTF!!! The language for the TA hasn't even been published or approved by the MEC yet.

Personally, I don't see why we should give a crap what UPS pilots think about our contract. I will read it and if I like it, I will vote yes. If I don't like it, I will vote no. What UPS pilots say will have no bearing on my vote. They were up to the plate one year before we were and decided twice to take a contract extension which now has their top pay rate 5% below their June 2019 rate accounting for inflation. So when they say we need to raise the bar, it's because they don't want to do the heavy lifting themselves.

 

I can’t believe UPS and our guys are on here crying about this thing when no one’s even seen it yet

 

This is simply not true, very far from it, in fact about half your silly number of 18 Captains per airframe. Delta has 1,095 (roughly) Captains in the top pay scale (which includes the 765), look it up, easy info to find. 1,095 / 118 aircraft is about 9.5 captains per plane. They do require 2 full crews if over 12 hours. But Delta doesn’t have that many flights over 12 hours, and anything between 8 and 12 (lots of those), requires just one relief FO.

Gotta love it when people make up fictional numbers.

 

Because some folks can’t take when someone gets a better deal, and when they shot themselves in the foot by voting yes on an unnecessary extension that now hamstrings us.

 

why are we debating completely irrelevant topics?

 

Extension 2022 was ratified by 90.7% of voting IPA pilots, which provides raises this September and next September and September 2025 which were industry-leading rates a year ago. There's less than zero need to relitigate the merits of that extension, again, especially in a thread about FDX's TA.

Pilots of EVERY airline are self-interested in what pilots at every other airline are able to achieve, that's pattern bargaining and pilots have FOMO worse than a bunch of teenagers. That being said, FDX pilots are the only people who are going to work under their contract and nobody else's opinion SHOULD matter. Non-FDX pilots should probably stop chirping and measuring schwartzes, especially before any details are released.

Glad FDX got a TA, you deserve it, hopefully it is good enough for your group to overwhelmingly ratify.

 

We use to have two Capt on flights over 12 hours until some jerk senior Capt’s would bid RF2 with nice DH then show up to the plane and tell the junior Capt who’s trip it was that he is senior and he is the Capt and signing for the plane. Took a few incidents of this happening and the company said fine it is not an FAA requirement for two Capt only on a new route for the first three months.

The end result next bid had 80 less Capt and 80 more FO’s. Nice job by a few special Capt to screw over everyone else with less upgrades.

 

Both Sailingfun and Fangs15 are Delta pilots who know the staffing far better than non-Delta pilots. I wouldn’t dare speak with such confidence about a company I didn’t work for, especially when discussing with people who actually know.

For what it’s worth, both their answers are consistent and correct. It is about 3000 pilots being paid at the top pay banded rate.

 

The Purple pilots attacking our fellow pilots at other airlines are simply preparing a smoke screen to distract from the dud of a TA coming our way. This is part of ALPA’s plan. Many of them are likely committee volunteers angling for further FPL by getting in the good graces of their overlords on the MEC and NC. They are looking out for themselves not for the pilot group they are a part of.

Keep in mind, these are the posters who are OPPOSED to increased job security, OPPOSED to industry leading pay rates in accordance with the C2021 openers, OPPOSED to work rule improvements. They are in favor only of what the NC feeds them.

 

Guess we'll know if your block rep was lying, and which block you are your rep are in when they vote against the TA.