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Old 03-12-2018, 07:06 PM   #41  
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November 1, 2016 performance numbers for maintenance DC average 6.9%
Endeavor at 4.3%
SkyWest at 4.8%
GoJet at 6.8%
XJT at 11.7%
Compass 12.2%

There you go. Quantified. Compass had nearly double the percentage GoJet did. GoJet was nearly double Endeavor.
Instead of spreading rumors and citing numbers from 2016 you could log on to Delta net and check out more current numbers. They are there free for all delta connection employees to see.
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Instead of spreading rumors and citing numbers from 2016 you could log on to Delta net and check out more current numbers. They are there free for all delta connection employees to see.
So I or any current DC can look at it, but this is a recruitment page. How can CFIs or non DC pilots see the numbers to make their own informed decision?

Someone said GoJet has similar maintenance issues when comparing regionals. Showing data refutes that all regionals suck equally was why I took the last numbers I'd seen.

Now if you'd like to show that I'm wrong you would have posted the current data instead of making the suggestion that it is available on Delta net. To me that suggests that not much has changed.
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So I or any current DC can look at it, but this is a recruitment page. How can CFIs or non DC pilots see the numbers to make their own informed decision?

Someone said GoJet has similar maintenance issues when comparing regionals. Showing data refutes that all regionals suck equally was why I took the last numbers I'd seen.

Now if you'd like to show that I'm wrong you would have posted the current data instead of making the suggestion that it is available on Delta net. To me that suggests that not much has changed.
I'm concerned about the legality of sharing info so I didn't.
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I'm concerned about the legality of sharing info so I didn't.
Even without sharing it, you did not hint at GoJet having less MX issues.

GoJet has a reputation in the industry. It also doesn't help when I've been jumpseating to go up and see the flight deck plastered with deferral stickers.

The fact that another GoJet pilot assumed all regional MX was bad confirms that GoJet still has that issue.

I'm not blaming the pilots for it, or the mechanics. If your aircraft is scheduled with minimal down time and there's not enough mechanics, of course there will be items they can't attend to.

Many hands make light work. If you must schedule an aircraft to fly as much as possible, the best strategy is to have more people working on it. Unfortunately for a company so cost sensitive, they'd rather "save" money now by having less mechanics. It's been an issue at Compass, they are talking about implementing a preventive maintenance program, which they could have done earlier.

Again TSH does not like to spend money now. They figure it's better to save that cash now to be "cost effective," where it would be more economical to spend slightly more now. Bonuses are point in case.

Wouldn't it be better to pay pilots a consistent higher wage than to have to attract pilots with advertising claiming up to 100k "total year one compensation?"

Think of it this way, let's say you offer 10,000 per pilot, that means you could have afforded to pay each person roughly 10 dollars an hour more, but instead of signing a LOA with the union, it's deemed better to wait until there is a staffing problem and offer lump sums with tax implications that reduce what a pilot takes home.

Mind you part of that total year one compensation includes items such as your health insurance benefits, so it's not fully accurate.
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I am sure that Gojet Recruiter is making an honest effort to promote the best of Gojet, but he fails to backup his efforts with concrete facts that show that someone can go to work for Gojet and not be putting his career in jeopardy.

Yes, there are some people who get hired, stay 2,3,4 + years and are able to move on, good for them. But there are also many who, through no fault of their own are destroyed by Gojet. Only a fool will risk his career hoping to be one of the lucky ones.

Gojet needs to step back and correct for its past mistakes. It needs to settle 100% of the grievances that have been filed and it needs to settle all of the lawsuits that have been filed by pilots. Gojet's policy the past few years for grievances is to first claim that the issue is not subject to arbitration because the union did not file its papers properly. That issue then has to go to arbitration, which takes about a year. What moves like that show is that Gojet is not serious about resolving things fairly.

Unfortunately for Gojet Recruiter, he does not have a good product to sell. You will not know it will be good to go there until after you go and later make it out successfully. Fix the product before you try and sell it. Gojet is currently a lemon. It can be fixed, so fix it.

The people here do not badmouth Gojet because they want to be mean, they do it because they feel they have a moral obligation to warn people.
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How does the $10,000 bonus work for current employees? I have thought about applying and would like for that money to be paid out if I got hired. I would want to be hired as a DEC in STL.
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How does the $10,000 bonus work for current employees? I have thought about applying and would like for that money to be paid out if I got hired. I would want to be hired as a DEC in STL.
If it's anything like the program at Compass, it sounds better on paper than in practice.

It won't be lump sum. It will only be paid in full if you're on property and the candidate you recommend stays on property.

If you recommend 5 people, but leave before the first installment is due, you don't get paid.

If you recommend 5 people but they all leave after the first installment, you do not receive subsequent payments.

It would be better to offer a smaller sum of money that gets paid whether you leave or your prospective pilot leaves.
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How many crews are there in Chicago?

If someone just wanted to bid turns and be home every night, could he do that if he was in the middle of the seniority?

What % of the trips are 4 days, 3 days, 2 days, and 1 days?

They use the PBS system?
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If someone just wanted to bid turns and be home every night,
Sure, it's a base.
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Even without sharing it, you did not hint at GoJet having less MX issues.

GoJet has a reputation in the industry. It also doesn't help when I've been jumpseating to go up and see the flight deck plastered with deferral stickers.

The fact that another GoJet pilot assumed all regional MX was bad confirms that GoJet still has that issue.

I'm not blaming the pilots for it, or the mechanics. If your aircraft is scheduled with minimal down time and there's not enough mechanics, of course there will be items they can't attend to.

Many hands make light work. If you must schedule an aircraft to fly as much as possible, the best strategy is to have more people working on it. Unfortunately for a company so cost sensitive, they'd rather "save" money now by having less mechanics. It's been an issue at Compass, they are talking about implementing a preventive maintenance program, which they could have done earlier.

Again TSH does not like to spend money now. They figure it's better to save that cash now to be "cost effective," where it would be more economical to spend slightly more now. Bonuses are point in case.

Wouldn't it be better to pay pilots a consistent higher wage than to have to attract pilots with advertising claiming up to 100k "total year one compensation?"

Think of it this way, let's say you offer 10,000 per pilot, that means you could have afforded to pay each person roughly 10 dollars an hour more, but instead of signing a LOA with the union, it's deemed better to wait until there is a staffing problem and offer lump sums with tax implications that reduce what a pilot takes home.

Mind you part of that total year one compensation includes items such as your health insurance benefits, so it's not fully accurate.
Tsh does not own many of its planes. That's where the conflict of interest is, why spend any more money in maintenance when you don't own them? They just do the bare minimum, I've flown with deffered things that maybe only airlines in Africa or India... are ok deferring.
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