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Old 05-29-2014, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate View Post
Attrition is steady but not large numbers. Most recalls have returned to UAL and DAL. A few USair continue to leave. The bulk of recalls remaining are AA.
From sources the "incentive" did little to attract or retain pilots. Those who want to come here will and those who want to leave will.

Managements primary concern will be newer pilots leaving but that will only happen once legacy carriers begins large scale hiring. The airline is still short pilots and will continue to be. Training center is having difficulty keeping up.(sim maintenance, turnover, etc.)
At least 4 and I think 6 JB pilots in 2 new-hire classes at DAL in June, including me.
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Old 05-29-2014, 06:42 AM
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Bonus is 5000k and seeing as new hires are still signing the PEA I would say yes they are entitled to it once their 1st year is up.

Not helping all that much, just had two buddies slightly over a year here put in their two weeks for Delta ... For obvious reasons
It's a 6K bonus.
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Old 05-29-2014, 06:45 AM
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Would $6k really keep someone from going to DAL or UAL? Jetblue's best bet would be to hire people that typically wouldn't meet the quals of those companies like TPIC (ie hire F/O's).
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Would $6k really keep someone from going to DAL or UAL? Jetblue's best bet would be to hire people that typically wouldn't meet the quals of those companies like TPIC (ie hire F/O's).
Well that's the quandary. Lower standards, or create an environment that motivates the quality you want to apply and stay.

I hope that with new leadership and a quality MEC, you'll see the latter. And I think you will in time, but if not soon, I don't think JB will survive.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters View Post
Would $6k really keep someone from going to DAL or UAL? Jetblue's best bet would be to hire people that typically wouldn't meet the quals of those companies like TPIC (ie hire F/O's).
From a previous thread, I understood the $6k for new hires at the one year point was a salary correction. The first year pay scale stayed the same when the 13% raise went into effect for everyone else, so I was told, and it was not intended to be an incentive or bonus.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rdc034 View Post
From a previous thread, I understood the $6k for new hires at the one year point was a salary correction. The first year pay scale stayed the same when the 13% raise went into effect for everyone else, so I was told, and it was not intended to be an incentive or bonus.
It was called a "retention bonus," and yes, at $500/ month, it approximates the 13% pay raise that 2-12+ year pilots got.
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2 year+ pilots did not receive a 13% unless they fly 78 hours or LESS Typical Jetblue math. Publish data, reference later and claim it as fact.

Pay raise hour by hour:

78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%

Summary: At 84 hours your increase is half what it should be. If you credit around 90 hours typically you're keeping pace with inflation (and that's all you're doing).

Anything after 95 hours and it's a pay decrease wrt COLA. Incorporate inflation and the new DH rule (incl. all of the 117 deadheads), and your break even is at 91 hours give or take. Anything after that is a dead loss.
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If you're leaving JB to go to DAL, AA or UAL. Adios! Buenas suerte! Peace in the Middle East!
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Old 05-29-2014, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate View Post
2 year+ pilots did not receive a 13% unless they fly 78 hours or LESS Typical Jetblue math. Publish data, reference later and claim it as fact.

Pay raise hour by hour:

78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%

Summary: At 84 hours your increase is half what it should be. If you credit around 90 hours typically you're keeping pace with inflation (and that's all you're doing).

Anything after 95 hours and it's a pay decrease wrt COLA. Incorporate inflation and the new DH rule (incl. all of the 117 deadheads), and your break even is at 91 hours give or take. Anything after that is a dead loss.
So what you are saying is that the base raise was increased by 13% to be within 1% of Delta's base rate by 2016 less dues. O but wait we will be paying dues by then since we voted in our own paycut in April. I hope history shows that we made the right choice.
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Is attrition picking up at jb?




Attrition is steady but not large numbers. Most recalls have returned to UAL and DAL. A few USair continue to leave. The bulk of recalls remaining are AA.
From sources the "incentive" did little to attract or retain pilots. Those who want to come here will and those who want to leave will.

Managements primary concern will be newer pilots leaving but that will only happen once legacy carriers begins large scale hiring. The airline is still short pilots and will continue to be. Training center is having difficulty keeping up.(sim maintenance, turnover, etc.)
Training has significantly slowed, and JBU is catching up. IOE is the current bottleneck.
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