They are already flying 321s between JFK-LGB

 

okay, thanks, just making sure.

 

I'm not sure a singular bid equals "upgrades going to 12 years." Also, you're ignoring the E190 with that statement, which isn't even starting to go away until late 2020.

But keep on with the narrative...

 

But in all fairness, our E190 pay is MUCH lower than a Capt position at any other real major. So a junior upgrade here also isn't equal in pay to a junior upgrade at other majors.

 

AA e190 CA 12 years - $175


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That is why I qualified it as A320 upgrade time. What is A320 upgrade forecast to be everywhere else? 3-5 years? E-190 upgrade at AA? Less than 1 year.

I give facts. I get called POS by the "just accept lower pay" crowd.

The question was "Do you think the CBA will make B6 a destination airline?". No it won't.

 

The first bid after the CBA isn't an accurate representation of the steady-state upgrade times. It will take 2-3 bids to level out and see where it actually will be long-term. I'd guess E190 CA will stay in the 3-4 range. A320 CA will stay in the 6-7 range. But there are plenty of variables.

 

In all fairness you are wrong. American 190 CA 12 Year is 175 an hour. FYI our pay is higher that than by leaps and bounds. Where do you get your info? Its actually on this site?

 

There are roughly 150 AA E190 CAs out of 15000 pilots. They have a lot of WB FOs who make a lot more than any of their 190 CAs. A 6 year WB FO makes more than their 190 CAs. Even their 320/737 FOs make more than their 190 CAs. I’d be surprised if they even had a 12 year 190 CA. The upgrade there is way faster on the 190 than it is here, because no one really bids it when they can make more and have a better schedule in the right seat.

Roughly 1/4th of our pilots are E190 pilots. We don’t have the bidding options they have, nor do we have the opportunity to make as much in the right seat as we do in the left seat like they do. I guarantee that year for year, especially going forward, everyone at AA makes more than JB pilots with equal year’s service.

I know lots of guys like pointing out we are the highest paid 190 pilots in the industry, but when you look at the context of where our pay falls in its totality, there’s more than just 190 rates vs 190 rates. 190 rates are irrelevant to 99% of AA pilots, and 100% of DL/UAL/SWA/ALK pilots, all of whom make more than our 190 pilots, and most of whom who make more than our bus pilots.

 

Oh the old AA toy airplane 3% of the fleet that are being discarded soon?

I do not agree...