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10-16-2018, 11:01 AM
#7242
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: JetRight, JetLeft
Posts: 760
Originally Posted by benzoate
No. CA leadership teaches you how to do stand up PA's, do everyone else job and clean properly.
Class full of pilots whose GAS meters ate pegged at zero!
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10-16-2018, 11:25 AM
#7243
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: Square root of the variance and average of the variation
Posts: 1,602
Originally Posted by capt707
Unfortunately a lot of Capts here don’t think that way, and I blame JB mgmt on some of it, but JB Capts are some of the weakest guys I have flown with in my career so far (3 airlines). They are more concerned about getting out 15 mins early and saving gas. They get talked down to by gate agents, ramp agents, and take sh!t from just about anybody and rush all the time! Not all CAs here like that, but most guys I fly with a are very, very weak.... and thats how we ended up with this crap CBA!
I have no idea what’s being taught at “Leading Edge” but the CRM training I received here as an FO is about a 2/10. At FSI our course was 16 hours face to face (not CBT learning which is useless for CRM). In reality it was 20 hours of material crammed into 16 - not death by PowerPoint. In a couple years here I’ve had a captain deliberately bust minimums on an approach in solid IMC, another that would consistently violate SOPs because he’s constantly in a rush to save 2 minutes getting to an already backed up runway, and one that wanted to go from JFK to SMF with the A320 landing fuel - prior to takeoff - showing 3.9 (clearly showing yellow). Because we were “going to make up fuel enroute.”
Soon we will have an entire generation of pilots that didn’t slog through flight instruction, corporate, freight, or the regionals but instead got on some accelerated fast track to the left seat. We are very, very close to an undesirable event here. Truth be told, we’ve been lucky already.
I haven’t even talked about our international procedures training...
10-16-2018, 12:08 PM
#7244
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: JetRight, JetLeft
Posts: 760
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
I will offer a comment about CRM/TEM training (or lack thereof) which should encompass leadership skills. My perspective is that of graduate degree in psychology, CRM/Human Factors program manager for FlightSafety International (worldwide) for 6 years, NTSB academy graduate, delivered 150+ CRM workshops face to face for corporate flight departments, keynote safety standdown speaker for a couple of Fortune 20 flight departments, NBAA regional speaker, 50 + articles published in 5 different aviation magazines, and a successful curriculum development company on the side with corporate flight dept clients.
I have no idea what’s being taught at “Leading Edge” but the CRM training I received here as an FO is about a 2/10. At FSI our course was 16 hours face to face (not CBT learning which is useless for CRM). In reality it was 20 hours of material crammed into 16 - not death by PowerPoint. In a couple years here I’ve had a captain deliberately bust minimums on an approach in solid IMC, another that would consistently violate SOPs because he’s constantly in a rush to save 2 minutes getting to an already backed up runway, and one that wanted to go from JFK to SMF with the A320 landing fuel - prior to takeoff - showing 3.9 (clearly showing yellow). Because we were “going to make up fuel enroute.”
Soon we will have an entire generation of pilots that didn’t slog through flight instruction, corporate, freight, or the regionals but instead got on some accelerated fast track to the left seat. We are very, very close to an undesirable event here. Truth be told, we’ve been lucky already.
I haven’t even talked about our international procedures training...
I have no idea what’s being taught at “Leading Edge” but the CRM training I received here as an FO is about a 2/10. At FSI our course was 16 hours face to face (not CBT learning which is useless for CRM). In reality it was 20 hours of material crammed into 16 - not death by PowerPoint. In a couple years here I’ve had a captain deliberately bust minimums on an approach in solid IMC, another that would consistently violate SOPs because he’s constantly in a rush to save 2 minutes getting to an already backed up runway, and one that wanted to go from JFK to SMF with the A320 landing fuel - prior to takeoff - showing 3.9 (clearly showing yellow). Because we were “going to make up fuel enroute.”
Soon we will have an entire generation of pilots that didn’t slog through flight instruction, corporate, freight, or the regionals but instead got on some accelerated fast track to the left seat. We are very, very close to an undesirable event here. Truth be told, we’ve been lucky already.
I haven’t even talked about our international procedures training...
GP
10-16-2018, 12:25 PM
#7245
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,099
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
I will offer a comment about CRM/TEM training (or lack thereof) which should encompass leadership skills. My perspective is that of graduate degree in psychology, CRM/Human Factors program manager for FlightSafety International (worldwide) for 6 years, NTSB academy graduate, delivered 150+ CRM workshops face to face for corporate flight departments, keynote safety standdown speaker for a couple of Fortune 20 flight departments, NBAA regional speaker, 50 + articles published in 5 different aviation magazines, and a successful curriculum development company on the side with corporate flight dept clients.
I have no idea what’s being taught at “Leading Edge” but the CRM training I received here as an FO is about a 2/10. At FSI our course was 16 hours face to face (not CBT learning which is useless for CRM). In reality it was 20 hours of material crammed into 16 - not death by PowerPoint. In a couple years here I’ve had a captain deliberately bust minimums on an approach in solid IMC, another that would consistently violate SOPs because he’s constantly in a rush to save 2 minutes getting to an already backed up runway, and one that wanted to go from JFK to SMF with the A320 landing fuel - prior to takeoff - showing 3.9 (clearly showing yellow). Because we were “going to make up fuel enroute.”
Soon we will have an entire generation of pilots that didn’t slog through flight instruction, corporate, freight, or the regionals but instead got on some accelerated fast track to the left seat. We are very, very close to an undesirable event here. Truth be told, we’ve been lucky already.
I haven’t even talked about our international procedures training...
I have no idea what’s being taught at “Leading Edge” but the CRM training I received here as an FO is about a 2/10. At FSI our course was 16 hours face to face (not CBT learning which is useless for CRM). In reality it was 20 hours of material crammed into 16 - not death by PowerPoint. In a couple years here I’ve had a captain deliberately bust minimums on an approach in solid IMC, another that would consistently violate SOPs because he’s constantly in a rush to save 2 minutes getting to an already backed up runway, and one that wanted to go from JFK to SMF with the A320 landing fuel - prior to takeoff - showing 3.9 (clearly showing yellow). Because we were “going to make up fuel enroute.”
Soon we will have an entire generation of pilots that didn’t slog through flight instruction, corporate, freight, or the regionals but instead got on some accelerated fast track to the left seat. We are very, very close to an undesirable event here. Truth be told, we’ve been lucky already.
I haven’t even talked about our international procedures training...
I will add all the training was designed and developed by Jetblue without any outside consultation.
10-16-2018, 01:12 PM
#7246
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
I will offer a comment about CRM/TEM training (or lack thereof) which should encompass leadership skills. My perspective is that of graduate degree in psychology, CRM/Human Factors program manager for FlightSafety International (worldwide) for 6 years, NTSB academy graduate, delivered 150+ CRM workshops face to face for corporate flight departments, keynote safety standdown speaker for a couple of Fortune 20 flight departments, NBAA regional speaker, 50 + articles published in 5 different aviation magazines, and a successful curriculum development company on the side with corporate flight dept clients.
I have no idea what’s being taught at “Leading Edge” but the CRM training I received here as an FO is about a 2/10. At FSI our course was 16 hours face to face (not CBT learning which is useless for CRM). In reality it was 20 hours of material crammed into 16 - not death by PowerPoint. In a couple years here I’ve had a captain deliberately bust minimums on an approach in solid IMC, another that would consistently violate SOPs because he’s constantly in a rush to save 2 minutes getting to an already backed up runway, and one that wanted to go from JFK to SMF with the A320 landing fuel - prior to takeoff - showing 3.9 (clearly showing yellow). Because we were “going to make up fuel enroute.”
Soon we will have an entire generation of pilots that didn’t slog through flight instruction, corporate, freight, or the regionals but instead got on some accelerated fast track to the left seat. We are very, very close to an undesirable event here. Truth be told, we’ve been lucky already.
I haven’t even talked about our international procedures training...
I have no idea what’s being taught at “Leading Edge” but the CRM training I received here as an FO is about a 2/10. At FSI our course was 16 hours face to face (not CBT learning which is useless for CRM). In reality it was 20 hours of material crammed into 16 - not death by PowerPoint. In a couple years here I’ve had a captain deliberately bust minimums on an approach in solid IMC, another that would consistently violate SOPs because he’s constantly in a rush to save 2 minutes getting to an already backed up runway, and one that wanted to go from JFK to SMF with the A320 landing fuel - prior to takeoff - showing 3.9 (clearly showing yellow). Because we were “going to make up fuel enroute.”
Soon we will have an entire generation of pilots that didn’t slog through flight instruction, corporate, freight, or the regionals but instead got on some accelerated fast track to the left seat. We are very, very close to an undesirable event here. Truth be told, we’ve been lucky already.
I haven’t even talked about our international procedures training...
10-16-2018, 05:01 PM
#7247
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 534
Originally Posted by capt707
Unfortunately a lot of Capts here don’t think that way, and I blame JB mgmt on some of it, but JB Capts are some of the weakest guys I have flown with in my career so far (3 airlines). They are more concerned about getting out 15 mins early and saving gas. They get talked down to by gate agents, ramp agents, and take sh!t from just about anybody and rush all the time! Not all CAs here like that, but most guys I fly with a are very, very weak.... and thats how we ended up with this crap CBA!
I’d disagree. I think our CA’s are very good, generally speaking. It’s one reason I’m in no particular rush to upgrade. Regarding taking time to get some food…I can’t think of one CA that’s ever told me to hurry up or whatever…
Once in a great while I’ll fly with someone whom, in my opinion, is unnecessarily and consistently being a d*ck…not even to me, but to everyone else (over petty stuff). I get the feeling you’d probably consider this kind of person “strong”. Just a different perspective I guess….
10-16-2018, 06:20 PM
#7248
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 332
Originally Posted by Gordie H
I’d disagree. I think our CA’s are very good, generally speaking. It’s one reason I’m in no particular rush to upgrade. Regarding taking time to get some food…I can’t think of one CA that’s ever told me to hurry up or whatever…
Once in a great while I’ll fly with someone whom, in my opinion, is unnecessarily and consistently being a d*ck…not even to me, but to everyone else (over petty stuff). I get the feeling you’d probably consider this kind of person “strong”. Just a different perspective I guess….
Once in a great while I’ll fly with someone whom, in my opinion, is unnecessarily and consistently being a d*ck…not even to me, but to everyone else (over petty stuff). I get the feeling you’d probably consider this kind of person “strong”. Just a different perspective I guess….
10-17-2018, 08:09 AM
#7249
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: Square root of the variance and average of the variation
Posts: 1,602
Originally Posted by jtrain609
While your experience is not wrong, it is dependent upon what your seniority is. Junior pilots tend to fly with the worst captains because everyone drops those trips.
10-17-2018, 08:21 AM
#7250
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Position: Square root of the variance and average of the variation
Posts: 1,602
Originally Posted by pilotpayne
All that and they still made you go fly an RJ
I was spending half the time in the sim and the other half on the road doing CRM and International Procedures Training. I honestly would have gone back to that but B6 told me to go fly an RJ for 200hrs after I had ALREADY RESIGNED from my full time job after a successful, “congrats you’ve passed phase II letter.” Hard to beg for a job back after 5 PRIA requests come in.I did said flying at Envoy but I’m not sure if I ever shared the whole interview experience. So JB says go get 200 hrs, we don’t care where. (Core value integrity I guess). I interview at Commutair (hired), Republic (hired), Air Wisconsin (hired), and Envoy (hired). This was 5-6 years ago so no street captains and FOs a are getting $400 a week.
Mesa pulls my resume - maybe Airline Apps? - and hires me over the phone. Over the phone. Says guaranteed EMB175, Houston base. When can I start? 3 months. No can do since I’m now technically unemployed with no severance. I asked the recruiter on the phone, “So I just have to know. You’re giving me a class date right now over the phone. How do you know I even have legs?” Huh? “I could be like 600 pounds and recently have been in a motorcycle accident and be a double amputee. Then I show up for training. Surprise!” We’re willing to take that chance....
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