Still voting no. I could get downgraded. I do pack my own lunch btw. American is gonna fall on their face first of course that flying is down.

 

Here is the second Wednesday of the month for you on the AA side.

DFW
Sep 9th-68
Oct 14th-44
A 35.3% reduction.

PHX
Sep 9th-28
Oct 14th-21
A 25% reduction.

Total AA hub departures.
Sep 9th-96
Oct 14th-65
A 32.3% reduction month to month.

 

Here is the 4th Monday of the month for you.

DFW
Sep 28th-70
Oct 26th-53
A 24.3% reduction

PHX
Sep 28th-27
Oct 26th-21
A 22.3% reduction.

Total AA hub departures
Sep 28th-97
Oct 26th-74
A 23.8% reduction.

 

Ouch... I can feel that burn from here.

But seriously, some of us are actually down several thousand dollars a month already. Imagine going from 90hrs block/120 credit to 76hrs on CA pay. You have kids, mortgage, Car payments, etc. Your struggling to survive as it is, dipping into you personal saving and investments. And its not like we are not willing to take a further cut to save your job.

Voting No is not personal. But some of us have seen this song and dance or been here long enough to hear the stories. The language in the MOU is very vague leaving a lot up for interruption (and its done like that on purpose). Like the displacement/downgrade argument, will there be another vote in 90-days or will union decide on your behalf (bc they can), what if the PSP is called something else, should we take the company at “good faith”, if we do record a profit but JO increases expenses to offset, and splitting the pilot group over contract or type. These all set bad precedents. Especially in a contract year... Unfortunately, our union is incompetent and corrupt. The junior guys think its personal and its not. Some of us are trying to protect the integrity of what was fought so hard to earn before there is nothing left.

Is it not enough that we are the lowest paid, have some of the worse hotels, have no PDC, no auto atis, no auto closeout, no digital weather, have to supply our own Ipads and mounts, outdated EPIC loads, or that the company consistently violates the contract to save money on personal. At what point is the company not already getting a bargain

 

Here is the 4th Saturday of the month for you.

DFW
Sep 26th-69
Oct 24th-46
A 33.4% reduction.

PHX
Sep 26th-26
Oct 24th-19
A 27% reduction.

Total AA hub departures
Sep 26th-95
Oct 24th-65
A 31.6% reduction.

 

Im just going to take you at your word bc I dont know enough about the current AA side of things. But it still doesnt change my opinion in voting NO. Oct flying yr to yr is always lower before the pick up for the holidays. And AA is about to probably go under anyways. JO has the money to purchase 20 new ejets, offer to refurbish the 700s for UA, get more cargo planes, pay for outsourced training for them, all while giving himself a full salary but he cant pay an FO $36 an hour. Yay, ok.. Ill take a 10% cut when he takes a 10% cut and the union stops collecting dues for themselves

 

I agree and we should all stand in UNITY for these and many other reasons.

 

I am one of those captains. I have kids, a mortgage and am currently happily living off of $7,131 a month before taxes, 401k, and all the other things deducted. That’s 76 hours. That’s a pay cut from my normal higher time line with per diem. I get it. I’ve been around the block a few times, you’re preaching to the choir. I’ll also say again, I’ll take a 8 hour pay cut to stand in UNITY. The kind of unity that takes care of one another during these hard times. Open time? I don’t pick it up, I don’t need it. Sure when the going was good I got 300% and got paid $5 a minute to chit chat at 36,000ft. Once they dropped it to 200% I stood in unity then and stopped picking up. I stand with the pilots I’m UNITY trying to help these junior FOs and Captains. The FOs have it worse but it’s the industry they chose and want to work in. Because the media and society screwed things up the airlines got screwed and now they suffer. Let them keep their jobs if they want. They don’t want a pay cut? They can quit like an adult. But don’t take that chance from the other 490 people. The down grades? Those are protected in the MOU. You are all pilots not lawyers. Stop throwing law 101 at each other when you’re wrong. Those downgrade Captains are the ones who really should vote yes. Going from $70 an hour back to 36$ an hour? They wouldn’t survive. Any Captain here at Mesa should be able to afford another 8 hour pay cut to protect the junior FOs and themselves

 

With regards to the pay back portion of the MOU? Who cares. We’ll get a max of 50% of lost wages if the company posts a profit. 50%? Over the 3 months of the MOU you’ll lose out on 24 hours of pay. So if Mesa profits you’ll get 12 hours of pay. Then when it’s taxed as a bonus and not pay you’ll get 33% taken out. That’s 755$ for me. Who cares if that never shows up! It’s not going to kill me if I don’t make 755$ for giving 490 pilots the chance to work and 120 from getting downgraded

 

If you get downgraded you’ll be making significantly less than if you just took an 8 hour cut at captain pay . This logic makes no sense to me. Please explain your process