New Mesa Thread
02-10-2016 | 03:40 AM
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Sorry to dispute what you are saying, FHS, but to my knowledge,
Envoy has yet to put any new hires into the 175. That is "coming soon to a class near you" from what I know. Forgive me in advance if you know better.
Also, Mesa can offer something Envoy cannot... Flight time in a reasonable time frame. If a person wants to sit on reserve for a couple of years, flying 200-500 hours a year, with the chance of flowing in a few years, then Envoy is the place to be. If said person instead wishes to quickly get to 1000 TSIC, then Mesa would be a better fit.
Envoy has yet to put any new hires into the 175. That is "coming soon to a class near you" from what I know. Forgive me in advance if you know better.
Also, Mesa can offer something Envoy cannot... Flight time in a reasonable time frame. If a person wants to sit on reserve for a couple of years, flying 200-500 hours a year, with the chance of flowing in a few years, then Envoy is the place to be. If said person instead wishes to quickly get to 1000 TSIC, then Mesa would be a better fit.
I'm not sure why you think a Mesa pilot can build time faster than an Envoy pilot. The flight blocks are given monthly and change happens often and quickly. We had some months where the entire month OT was paid 200 percent.
I can say I and my family are enjoying not getting called out for trips all the time, but no one expects it to last much longer.
Last edited by adspilot; 02-10-2016 at 03:54 AM.
02-10-2016 | 03:54 AM
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You are correct, Sir, it can and often does change, sometimes quickly. For everyone's sake at Envoy, I hope it does.
As for the why, it comes from talking to Envoy pilots, and reading these forums. I was given to expect 30-50 hours on reserve, and that current reserve times are 1.5-2 years. (Back in December and January). In fact, I had a guy tell me he blocked under 200 hours in 12 months. Now that I know what I know, I suspect he was bidding to stay at home and not fly, but will never know.
And please don't think I am in any bashing Envoy. I think they are a solid company, and everyone I have spoken to that works there were top-notch folks. But I do believe Mesa new hires will have the opportunity to fly more hours sooner than at Envoy. At least today. Will that change next month? Sure might. If what you say is true, Envoy will be flying more, and from reading the tea leaves here in the Mesa thread, the flying (well, at least upgrades) will slow down.
As for the why, it comes from talking to Envoy pilots, and reading these forums. I was given to expect 30-50 hours on reserve, and that current reserve times are 1.5-2 years. (Back in December and January). In fact, I had a guy tell me he blocked under 200 hours in 12 months. Now that I know what I know, I suspect he was bidding to stay at home and not fly, but will never know.
And please don't think I am in any bashing Envoy. I think they are a solid company, and everyone I have spoken to that works there were top-notch folks. But I do believe Mesa new hires will have the opportunity to fly more hours sooner than at Envoy. At least today. Will that change next month? Sure might. If what you say is true, Envoy will be flying more, and from reading the tea leaves here in the Mesa thread, the flying (well, at least upgrades) will slow down.
I'm not sure why you think a Mesa pilot can build time faster than an Envoy pilot. The flight blocks are given monthly and change happens often and quickly. We had some months where the entire month OT was paid 200 percent.
I can say I and my family are enjoying me not flying much now, but no one expects it to last much longer.
I can say I and my family are enjoying me not flying much now, but no one expects it to last much longer.
02-10-2016 | 04:11 AM
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No offense taken.... You are pretty much right about reserve but I digress and will leave this thread on the topic of MESA.
Just curious how many reserve pilots do yall have in Dallas? Total number/percents?
Just curious how many reserve pilots do yall have in Dallas? Total number/percents?
02-10-2016 | 04:35 AM
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That's great for that guy that you know. I love to hear that it's working out for someone. That is not the norm. Everyone's mileage will vary but the majority of reserves are not "sitting at home" not flying by "choice". They are commuting in to base to sit in the crew room/crash pad for 4-5-6 days and are not flying. They are calling scheduling begging for trips. They are logging maybe 20-30/hrs per month. And reserve is most certainly NOT just a few months. Last summer's new hires are still on reserve and will be for a while. That is for IAD and DFW. And we all know that PHX is much, much longer.
As you know, this industry is changing drastically by the day. The experience of a pilot hired 17 months ago is not going to be the experience of someone hired today.
Also, not everyone gets the EJet, so again, each person's mileage will vary.
Just putting real data out there so people can base their life decisions on what is actually happening. Realistic expectations save a lot of frustration. I hope it helps those making those decisions.
As you know, this industry is changing drastically by the day. The experience of a pilot hired 17 months ago is not going to be the experience of someone hired today.
Also, not everyone gets the EJet, so again, each person's mileage will vary.
Just putting real data out there so people can base their life decisions on what is actually happening. Realistic expectations save a lot of frustration. I hope it helps those making those decisions.
02-10-2016 | 05:51 AM
#4365
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I'm a summer hire, I'll hold a line next month in IAD. May and April hires are junior line holders here in Feb.
02-10-2016 | 03:58 PM
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Any IAD fo, please pm me, thanks.
02-10-2016 | 05:10 PM
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Hi!
So I work for Mesa and bought a house about 10 miles15-20min from IAH. I work at the Mesa Hanger, and my partner works for Spirit at the IAH terminal.
We were thinking about fixing up the spare room and renting it out to you all pilots who need a place to stay. It would be quiet, clean, and done by Ikea.
Generally either one of us could drive you to and from the airport. Is this something you all would be interested in and how much would you pay to rent the room?
I'm not interested in renting out a crash pad, too many people too small a space. I'm thinking the pilots who commute in the day before and commute out the day after their trips.
Thoughts?
So I work for Mesa and bought a house about 10 miles15-20min from IAH. I work at the Mesa Hanger, and my partner works for Spirit at the IAH terminal.
We were thinking about fixing up the spare room and renting it out to you all pilots who need a place to stay. It would be quiet, clean, and done by Ikea.
Generally either one of us could drive you to and from the airport. Is this something you all would be interested in and how much would you pay to rent the room?
I'm not interested in renting out a crash pad, too many people too small a space. I'm thinking the pilots who commute in the day before and commute out the day after their trips.
Thoughts?
02-10-2016 | 05:40 PM
#4369
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Hi!
So I work for Mesa and bought a house about 10 miles15-20min from IAH. I work at the Mesa Hanger, and my partner works for Spirit at the IAH terminal.
We were thinking about fixing up the spare room and renting it out to you all pilots who need a place to stay. It would be quiet, clean, and done by Ikea.
Generally either one of us could drive you to and from the airport. Is this something you all would be interested in and how much would you pay to rent the room?
I'm not interested in renting out a crash pad, too many people too small a space. I'm thinking the pilots who commute in the day before and commute out the day after their trips.
Thoughts?
So I work for Mesa and bought a house about 10 miles15-20min from IAH. I work at the Mesa Hanger, and my partner works for Spirit at the IAH terminal.
We were thinking about fixing up the spare room and renting it out to you all pilots who need a place to stay. It would be quiet, clean, and done by Ikea.
Generally either one of us could drive you to and from the airport. Is this something you all would be interested in and how much would you pay to rent the room?
I'm not interested in renting out a crash pad, too many people too small a space. I'm thinking the pilots who commute in the day before and commute out the day after their trips.
Thoughts?
02-10-2016 | 07:05 PM
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Keep in mind that the forward progression toward holding a line is predicated on fo's above you upgrading. With no new 700 flying, that's the only thing pulling you up. When the the new erj's are staffed, it's going to slow to a crawl. Per the flight ops newsletter, if any 900's move from Dfw to Phx, the rsv time in Dfw is going to increase.
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