...maybe a cut under the table was offered!!!

 

Exactly. They shopped concessions to Eagle. They said no. Now they're shopping them to PSA. you guys need to say no too. As EVERY pilot group starts saying NO; they'll get the message that your FO's are on poverty wages collecting food stamps and concessions are a thing of the past.

Pattern bargaining

BTW; doesn't ALPA rules require specific metrics from a company before entering into concessionary negotiations? Pretty sure being profitable is a disqualifying criteria.
Who at ALPA national was advising your negotiating committee?

Something is very much wrong if ALPA allowed concessionary negotiations
In the first place. The problem lies beyond simple management greed.

ALPA is not doing their job.

 

Word I'm hearing is 30 frames is nothing - nothing - compared to their total they want online. They will do exactly as others have stated.

Take concessions or no planes for you

Next airline
Take bigger concessions than that other pilot group that just voted yes.

 

Don't act all high and mighty. AE brought up B scale. Your pilots would be as split as much as PSAs are. Your MEC voted it down but two said yes. Your pilot's I guarantee would be like any other and it'd be a close vote had it gone to vote.... Stop pretending Eagle did anything great. A few MEC officers did, not the pilot group or your NC or MEC Chairman did.

 

You sound like a proud "Yes" voter. You disgust me. I bet you still live with your parents don't you?

 

Our pilot group tells the LEC what to vote. At least I talked with my LEC (ORD) and even that I told them "vote no for any BScale", they disregarded what the majority said.

The ball is in the PSA court. Will PSA play ball or chicken out?

I think it will pass, sad but true.

 

It might.... There are a lot of guys saying no. Many who would upgrade if any truth happen with growth. So to sit back and have people criticize them probably makes them debate if they should indeed stick with their no vote or change it.....

To tell the truth the 10 year part, if nothing else, really kills it..... The unfortunate part I keep looking at is the pilots, who are all great guys, that I know personally who need their 100k jobs and the thought of, "what will they do if we cease?" To me that is not an easy question to answer..... Thus this LOA is very specific to an individual and unfortunate not many, except a few, are looking at it from a different perspective.....

By the way the vote opens the 10th and closes on the 27th.... Anyways...... I do find it funny how many on here accuse many of being a vote one way or another.... Funny how some on here have pointed out certain inaccuracies and been accused of voting no. Yet I know them personally and have been given phone calls and them saying they are NO votes.... But like many continue to say keep piling on RJpilot etc and you will end up doing more harm then good by your own actions.

 

I'm not at Eagle but what you are talking about is water under the bridge. The Eagle MEC voted it down and never went to the pilots for a vote. The ball is in your court now and how your pilot group deals with this is the unknown at this point. Since you are vocal about this, educate your pilot group as to why this would not be good for them. You have said before that this isn't anything good (paraphrasing).

 

You're exactly right. And if went to a vote there was a good chance our pilot group would had voted in a B-scale. Our pilot group is not as strong as some are portraying. Even so, I do hope that the PSA Pilot group has the courage and foresight to vote this TA down. Others need to recognize the implied threat that a no vote comes with. Good Luck PSA.

 

PSA pilots shouldn't waste time on this guy. He's either unsalvageable or he's a management stooge. Either way, it is an unnecessary distraction. They should concentrate their efforts on the LINE PILOTS who aren't savvy enough to see what this really is and what it will eventually mean.

PSA has a lot of pie-eyed kids unskilled in sophisticated labor strategies like this and they need to be shepherded in the right direction. They're going to get a percentage of 9163's, but disregard the hopeless cases and concentrate on those still viable.

Good luck to PSA pilots.