The Useful PSA Thread
03-09-2015, 05:14 PM
#2373
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03-09-2015, 05:20 PM
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03-09-2015, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
If you can't tell me the frequency of a GPS satellite or whatever nonsense that question asked, that's a whole different story.
03-09-2015, 06:51 PM
#2377
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The truth is they control the process so there is no way to prove you did or did not pass the test. You have to take their word for it and hope that they are not using this as a tool to weed out a candidate for one reason or another. I choose to believe that the process is fair and reasonable and I was not as prepared as I should have been regardless of whether the gouges were right or not.
03-09-2015, 06:52 PM
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03-09-2015, 07:02 PM
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Yea from what my buddy told me they said too many people were passing the test (whatever that means) and that they didn't feel they were getting an accurate gouge of the interviewees' knowledge so they were going to change it continously. I bet those same ones doing the interview used the gouge to get on with PSA.
When I interview/ hire someone, I could care less about raim, and all that other bull fecal matter - the only thing I care about is real world life knowledge, reading charts, jepps or nocs, IFR procedures, and can you fly the damn plane without killing yourself or the operator but this raim crap, when are circling mins published, what prevents compressor stalls, (your flying piston twins or high performance piston, etc in the fleet I look after)
I wouldn't expect you to know or care because I sure as hell don't. I don't care what's in your logbook to a certain point cause I know when i test fly ya, who you really are will come shining through. I think PSA is being hypocritical.
When I interview/ hire someone, I could care less about raim, and all that other bull fecal matter - the only thing I care about is real world life knowledge, reading charts, jepps or nocs, IFR procedures, and can you fly the damn plane without killing yourself or the operator but this raim crap, when are circling mins published, what prevents compressor stalls, (your flying piston twins or high performance piston, etc in the fleet I look after)
I wouldn't expect you to know or care because I sure as hell don't. I don't care what's in your logbook to a certain point cause I know when i test fly ya, who you really are will come shining through. I think PSA is being hypocritical.
Throwing random questions from the ATP written(which is ridiculously flawed) at an applicant proves much less than having a known gouge out there.
At least with the gouge you know if someone is proactive enough to study and memorize things. With random questions it's almost like luck. Knowing RAIM tolerances does not help you shoot a visual when ATC gives you a vector to a FAF with a 130 degree turn to final.
I've never really agreed with a written as part of an interview anyway. Do any majors have a written?
03-09-2015, 07:12 PM
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I thought the written helped identify those that knew how to study (memorize things) and relate them back. It is important to be able to memorize numbers such as limitations and memory/immediate action items. With the gouge being published on line like it was, it also helped to determine how interested someone really is in getting the job, and their desire to put forth the effort to find the gouge.
I know several people that we hired that didn't look for the gouge at all, and missed a few questions. They were either not that interested in getting the job, or didn't feel like putting forth the effort to try to help themselves succeed. As it was, if you missed more than one question, it was pretty obvious that you didn't read the gouge. It was pretty easy.
I agree that these new questions seem to be a little farfetched, and do not measure any real piloting ability. But if the gouge is out there, the written test can evaluate several items to help the interviewers make a good decision.
I know several people that we hired that didn't look for the gouge at all, and missed a few questions. They were either not that interested in getting the job, or didn't feel like putting forth the effort to try to help themselves succeed. As it was, if you missed more than one question, it was pretty obvious that you didn't read the gouge. It was pretty easy.
I agree that these new questions seem to be a little farfetched, and do not measure any real piloting ability. But if the gouge is out there, the written test can evaluate several items to help the interviewers make a good decision.
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