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07-06-2009 | 05:31 PM
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I am just curious how you guys come to the conclusion that this is ALPA's fault. Shouldn't you be angry at Delta and Comair management? How are you so certain that they did not try every effort last time to mitigate furloughs? Were you there at the negotiations?
I am facing being cut this time around, but I sure as hell don't blame ALPA. I blame Dick and those clowns running this circus in the GO.
I am facing being cut this time around, but I sure as hell don't blame ALPA. I blame Dick and those clowns running this circus in the GO.
07-06-2009 | 05:42 PM
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I am just curious how you guys come to the conclusion that this is ALPA's fault. Shouldn't you be angry at Delta and Comair management? How are you so certain that they did not try every effort last time to mitigate furloughs? Were you there at the negotiations?
I am facing being cut this time around, but I sure as hell don't blame ALPA. I blame Dick and those clowns running this circus in the GO.
I am facing being cut this time around, but I sure as hell don't blame ALPA. I blame Dick and those clowns running this circus in the GO.
I agree...........
07-06-2009 | 06:09 PM
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So let me get this straight......Delta just paid a ton of crew members to move from the Cincinnati area. Now they are going to turn around and furlough most of those people. Great business decision. They knew cutbacks were coming and paid to move people anyway. Most of these moves were over 10K.
I see the guys that are already on the street starting to see reality that they will not be called back anytime soon, if ever. Most will move on to bigger and better things outside of part 121.
The guys that are in the 3 to 5 year range are all now being put in jeopardy of a furlough staring them in the face.
Then there are all of the downgrade guys that were downgraded into senior FO positions and were enjoying a nice schedule since they were holding lines and not sitting reserve as junior Captains. Those guys now will trickle down to be the junior FO's and be on reserve as an FO and some will quit.
And then there are the senior folks that have already been complaining about how they can't hold the schedules that they have held after 15 years with the company. Those guys are going to be trickling back to be reserve CA's and some of those guys will quit.
I think Delta is succeeding with their plan. It sucks, but I think it is all in their plan to dismantle Comair. These furloughs are going to happen and then when the airline gets small enough they will merge it with another entity and the people on furloughs will most likely never be given their jobs back.
Please remember that IMSAFE checklist that you learned about in your primary flight training. I think the moral has gotten so low that you guys are going to have to look out for each other. As in, you might feel fit to fly, but the guy next to you may not and have no other choice but to come to work with his head on backwards.
Good luck! I'll keep praying for you guys.
I see the guys that are already on the street starting to see reality that they will not be called back anytime soon, if ever. Most will move on to bigger and better things outside of part 121.
The guys that are in the 3 to 5 year range are all now being put in jeopardy of a furlough staring them in the face.
Then there are all of the downgrade guys that were downgraded into senior FO positions and were enjoying a nice schedule since they were holding lines and not sitting reserve as junior Captains. Those guys now will trickle down to be the junior FO's and be on reserve as an FO and some will quit.
And then there are the senior folks that have already been complaining about how they can't hold the schedules that they have held after 15 years with the company. Those guys are going to be trickling back to be reserve CA's and some of those guys will quit.
I think Delta is succeeding with their plan. It sucks, but I think it is all in their plan to dismantle Comair. These furloughs are going to happen and then when the airline gets small enough they will merge it with another entity and the people on furloughs will most likely never be given their jobs back.
Please remember that IMSAFE checklist that you learned about in your primary flight training. I think the moral has gotten so low that you guys are going to have to look out for each other. As in, you might feel fit to fly, but the guy next to you may not and have no other choice but to come to work with his head on backwards.
Good luck! I'll keep praying for you guys.
07-06-2009 | 07:20 PM
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Furloughing from the bottom only eliminates the smallest employee costs, creates huge training costs when the employees return, and destroys morale. The part time program makes much more sense to me.
That's what I'd do.
07-06-2009 | 07:44 PM
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The average seniority for Comair Captains is around 16 years. (Which is 15 years more than the average Comair CEO, by the way.)
So the 18-22 year guys - those are the senior folks. And those will be the guys looking at reserve if they want to pick their days off or keep CVG.
07-06-2009 | 07:56 PM
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Well I certainly won't hold it against the third-year Freedom Captains that I see strutting through CVG like they're all that and a bag of chips.
That would be childish and immature.
It's not their fault that Delta had second thoughts, took Comair's 35 "payfreeze planes" and gave them to Mesa two months after we signed the deal.
It's not their fault that their management is crooked. At least they have a management.
That would be childish and immature.
It's not their fault that Delta had second thoughts, took Comair's 35 "payfreeze planes" and gave them to Mesa two months after we signed the deal.
It's not their fault that their management is crooked. At least they have a management.
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