ASA to lose 8 CRJ700's
08-26-2011 | 12:00 PM
#111
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I still can't believe gummers are this ignorant!!!!!!!!
08-26-2011 | 01:57 PM
#112
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From: A320
Now here is someone who gets it. Whatever jackwagon back in the day who thought we should get paid by the flight hour deserved to be beaten down. When your at work you should be getting paid for it. Not hey, lets show up do a bunch of work getting the plane ready, but lets not get paid until the brake is released and the door is shut....then lets sit for 3 hours after that waiting for our next flight on company time not getting paid as well. What f'ing moron agreed to that!!!!
08-26-2011 | 03:02 PM
#113
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From: Furlough/Gun Driver
Actually you might want to refresh your RJ talking points Joe. Southwest has changed their model. They are more hub and spoke than ever before. In fact is has been hampering some of their success.
As Southwest Airlines tries to cope with its success, problems at Midway will get team's attention - Chicago Tribune
The truth is that you could serve those outlying stations with 2-3 mainline planes each day and operate the airline more efficiently and with a better ontime performance than the 6-7 RJ's a day in the market. By using larger planes you get a reduction in the number of operations, freeing up slots, gates, airspace etc. You don't have to worry about the one RJ that takes 30minute delay on the first flight of the day cascading down the line for the next 16 hours of misconnects as it falls farther behind schedule all day long.
Ridding the airline of the non-caring codeshare partner that doesn't treat the passengers very well, has loyalty to the brand and nothing to lose. The code-share group dosen't have a clue about customer service. How many time did you turn the seat belt sign off on your last trip? How many friendly PA's did you make? Most of the times that I am in the back of an RJ the FA is on her first job that gives them any authority. They use the PA as a battering ram of oral diarrhea.
Sorry Joe, but the paradigm has shifted and you may be on the outside looking in when it is all said and done. Should have been nicer to those DL guys you have bashed over the years. Karma is a beaut...or something along those lines.
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As Southwest Airlines tries to cope with its success, problems at Midway will get team's attention - Chicago Tribune
The truth is that you could serve those outlying stations with 2-3 mainline planes each day and operate the airline more efficiently and with a better ontime performance than the 6-7 RJ's a day in the market. By using larger planes you get a reduction in the number of operations, freeing up slots, gates, airspace etc. You don't have to worry about the one RJ that takes 30minute delay on the first flight of the day cascading down the line for the next 16 hours of misconnects as it falls farther behind schedule all day long.
Ridding the airline of the non-caring codeshare partner that doesn't treat the passengers very well, has loyalty to the brand and nothing to lose. The code-share group dosen't have a clue about customer service. How many time did you turn the seat belt sign off on your last trip? How many friendly PA's did you make? Most of the times that I am in the back of an RJ the FA is on her first job that gives them any authority. They use the PA as a battering ram of oral diarrhea.
Sorry Joe, but the paradigm has shifted and you may be on the outside looking in when it is all said and done. Should have been nicer to those DL guys you have bashed over the years. Karma is a beaut...or something along those lines.
L
08-26-2011 | 04:31 PM
#114
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From: CRJ-700/900 Right Seat
As long as the majors will continue to hire pilots that have Turbine PIC then the regionals will keep getting flooded. Where else are you supposed to get that time? I don't think you will find a single person who would prefer to go to a regional before jumping to a major and starting all over again.
08-26-2011 | 10:57 PM
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As long as the majors will continue to hire pilots that have Turbine PIC then the regionals will keep getting flooded. Where else are you supposed to get that time? I don't think you will find a single person who would prefer to go to a regional before jumping to a major and starting all over again.
The military.
08-27-2011 | 02:07 AM
#116
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Whatever jackwagon back in the day who thought we should get paid by the flight hour deserved to be beaten down. When your at work you should be getting paid for it. Not hey, lets show up do a bunch of work getting the plane ready, but lets not get paid until the brake is released and the door is shut....then lets sit for 3 hours after that waiting for our next flight on company time not getting paid as well. What f'ing moron agreed to that!!!!
To give an idea, the MD-88 TOGW is 150,000 lbs and the CRJ 700 is 75,000 lbs. So, DL and AA pay about $160/hour for CAs and $110 for FOs. To be on the mainline pay, roughly $80/hour for RJ CAs and $55/hour for FOs. Not good. Block speeds are probably worse for RJs, so that would reduce pay even more.
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08-30-2011 | 07:56 AM
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Just wait. The race to the bottom hasn't even begun. During the hiring boom of 07/08...several flight schools stopped paying employees period. They considered the flight time compensation. They were still overloaded with resumes. Now wait til the majors start hiring alot. Youll start to see regionals do the same thing. People who are using the regionals as a stepping stone will be willing to work for free.
Ding ding ding!
Someone who gets it. I keep chuckling when I read guys posting how a pilot shortage will lead to higher wages at the regional because they'll be short on pilots. Nope, this is what will happen. Every guy who's dreamt of flying will see that the majors are hiring like crazy and the regionals are upgrading in 16 months and FLOOD ATP with guys paying 60k for their tickets, willing to work anywhere for nothing, thinking they'll get on at DAL in 24 months from when they started their PPL.
I predict wages will go down and you'll see guys paying for training in the regionals.
Ding ding ding!
Someone who gets it. I keep chuckling when I read guys posting how a pilot shortage will lead to higher wages at the regional because they'll be short on pilots. Nope, this is what will happen. Every guy who's dreamt of flying will see that the majors are hiring like crazy and the regionals are upgrading in 16 months and FLOOD ATP with guys paying 60k for their tickets, willing to work anywhere for nothing, thinking they'll get on at DAL in 24 months from when they started their PPL.
I predict wages will go down and you'll see guys paying for training in the regionals.
08-30-2011 | 08:34 AM
#119
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From: Guppy Commander
Just wait. The race to the bottom hasn't even begun. During the hiring boom of 07/08...several flight schools stopped paying employees period. They considered the flight time compensation. They were still overloaded with resumes. Now wait til the majors start hiring alot. Youll start to see regionals do the same thing. People who are using the regionals as a stepping stone will be willing to work for free.
The regionals will be SOL once the majors do start hiring and the regional ranks start to dry up. The risk vs reward to getting in this industry isn't there anymore, the credit market is crapped (can't get the loans like before), and learning to fly has only gone up in cost getting further and further out of reach for joe shmoe. Combine that with new mandated hiring standards coming for 121 applicants the shift will be back to mainline flying and addition flow up agreements, watch
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