LOL, no, I think you have a good point. Unfortunately, unless more people get on board with you and start filing lack of creep complaints or something to show management that these places are unfit to stay at, nothing is gonna change for you guys.

Shoot, I was gonna quote it alongside some of your pre-TA cheerleading.

Most people I know have filed complaints, I'm not sure there's any sort of critical mass where Mesa decides, "Yeah, okay, I guess they really don't like that place. I guess we can move them." Arguably, the more we complain the more each complaint becomes diluted by the sheer volume of what they're getting and the more desensitized management becomes.

I'm not saying we should stop; but it's going to take fatigue calls and ASAP reports for anything substantive to happen. Unfortunately, those are pretty extreme measures to fix something that shouldn't be broken to begin with.

Anyone know how long it takes to get PHX. Thanks in advance.

As of right now...

FO: 5 months
CA: 10 years

Seniority list was updated again today. I continue to move up on average 10 a month and I'm about 60% down the list. Been here around a year and a half. So there is still attrition off the top. Interestingly, it shows 1248 total people, but there are a lot of gaps in there. The latest list takes into account ejet/Crj guys and appears to have every newhire from dec/Jan on it, so I can't figure out what the gaps are from.

The gaps are only in the Jan 16 new hires and it's because the CRJ new hires aren't on the list yet. The Jan 7th EJET class had 25 people in it. There were 20+ CRJ new hires too. Big class, kinda took everyone by surprise.

Thanks for the response. How long after that to hold a line?

Junior line holder in PHX is a Feb or Mar 2015 hire. I just went to look at the awards and the PHX FO awards aren't there anymore. Lately there's been a lot of movement from very senior FOs finally upgrading, so the movement has stayed good in PHX. For reference I got PHX after a month and a half out of IOE and a line 2 months later, then did a couple reserve months with the LAX flying shrinkage, and am just about in the top third in PHX after a little over a year out of IOE. It fluctuates based on the amount of PHX flying, the number of FOs in PHX who upgrade, etc., so it could be vastly different for you in a few months if things change or if/when upgrades stop.

There are gaps in the Jan 7th people...Jan 16 isn't on there yet. Assuming that is the 20+ CRJ guys you're referring to? How are we getting 25 newhire ejet sim slots + upgrade sim slots? And how did we get 45 new hires in one class PLUS another class for that month? Surely that referral bonus isn't working that well, as I think anyone who would come here because of a referral bonus would come here anyway. The extra bonuses (iPad, food pay, ioe bonus, etc) could also be to blame (credit?). The pool of applicants is dry, they say...

Do you think the $3500 "bonus" is responsible for new hires coming in? At an airline that has a 1-yr training contract, even without the bonus money?