Don't forget Envoy hourly pay may be "slightly" lower (first year), that changes second year, but they get More paid vacation days, Higher per-diem than both carriers, better 401K match than PSA, not sure what PDT match is. Different medical benefit costs which can be a big factor. There is much more to overall compensation than just the hourly rate differences of a few cents. We all have different OT pay percentages and all that sort of stuff too IIRC. 1st year Pay rates alone are misleading.

Time spent on reserve plays an important part as well. If you are only getting guarantee for the first few years, you will make a lot less than someone that gets 85-90 hours a month as a line holder.

Or more if it's someone like me who only wants to work 12 days /month and credit 65 hours.

Would it be a bad move to work here if I have been working at 9E for 5 months? AA has always been One of my top choices but 9E is a really good place to work also.. The flow agreement is really tempting since our passing rate at interviews with Delta is only 40%.

How would the commute be from MIA to the PDT bases?
How soon the medical benefits go in effect?
How many days off is average for line holders and reserve per month?
Is training AQP?
Any plans for EFB's in the near future?

Thank you

Oh, please. This is the same guy that said the flow wouldn't exist at all in any capacity in 2017. Sorry chicken little, the sky is not falling here at Piedmont.

The Dash replacement seems to be going quite well. Our 10th -145 is scheduled to arrive today. Roughly 1/4 of all Piedmont pilots are now listed on the -145 roster as of the latest permanent bid. Sure, the training department is slightly backed up, but new instructors are becoming available weekly. Once instructor staffing rights itself, the training backlog will start to diminish.

We're currently ~10 pilots from achieving the 4 pilot flow/month. Let's take some numbers and math real quick. Currently, we are flowing around #90 on the seniority list. If a new hire came in today as #466, he/she would have 10 years to flow if every single pilot in front of them decided to exercise their option to flow. We know that's unrealistic. When the flow jumps up to 4/mo-which is all but inevitable at this point-that number comes down to the 7 year range. These numbers certainly aren't ideal, and they're definitely not the numbers that our recruiters are advertising. But, it's not 15 years. That's a flat out lie.

I'll give you credit when you say that growth can only occur if there's pilots to support it. But the support is there, and classes are growing. Yeah, the flow can be stopped by AAG. They can also decide to liquidate all of their WOs and tack us on the bottom of the seniority list. I doubt either of these situations happens in the near future.

And there you have it folks. Piedmont's "5 year flow" isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Can't wait of more people to tell me I'm spreading misinformation. Your own pilots are doing the math and even they see it.

phl might not be too bad, any others would be double leg

hmm not sure, think it might be a month or so?

line holders 12, maybe 13 if you're lucky on the dash

yes it is

hahaha, thats been 'coming soon' since like march

I said that the flow will not exist under current circumstances. The circumstances have changed. With Kirby gone, AAG has decided to concentrate on their WO, and stepped up their game.

It will be interesting to see if they concentrate everything on the WO, and what they will do with the contract carriers.

The flow is nice to have in your back pocket. Treat it like a last resort (a pretty nice last resort I might add). If all else fails you have it to fall back on. In the meantime keep your DAL and UAL apps updated.

Hooray! Someone gets it!