The Useful PSA Thread - Page 310 - Airline Pilot Central Forums

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Cosgr , 04-10-2015 10:51 AM

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Anybody know the current reserve times in CLT? How much flying are they doing?

#3092

DETSports , 04-10-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosgr

Anybody know the current reserve times in CLT? How much flying are they doing?

Most likely 2 or 3 months on reserve there.

#3093

Cosgr , 04-10-2015 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DETSports

Most likely 2 or 3 months on reserve there.

Thanks! You know how much flying guys on reserve are doing?

#3094

KingAirpilot90 , 04-10-2015 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

Are you f'ing kidding me? Please show me where this caveat that PSA would be shut down if you didn't take concessions. Now would you experience the record growth that you are now? (at the expense of others, no less) Absolutely not. Would you be shut down? Ha, you're unbelievable if you actually think that. Seriously, show me where this caveat is that PSA would be shut down, I'm curious now.

Parker has said time and time again that he wants the flying to be done by the wholly-owned, so do you really think that every single airplane they had on order was going to be farmed out to Mesa, Compass, GoJet, etc; Seriously, do you really think that that was the future had PSA said no?

Let's review some history and compare and contrast PSA and Envoy,....... one more time.

1(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new CRJ 900 jets in exchange for concessions. PSA Pilots say no, and those jets went to Mesa.
1(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170 jets in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no, and those jets went to Compass.

2(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new jets in exchange for concessions. PSA pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
2(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170's in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.

3(a) Parker again offers new CRJ 900's to PSA pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. PSA pilots took the deal.
3(b) Parker again offers new E-170's to Envoy pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. Envoy pilots took the deal.

So as we can clearly see, it's ok for Envoy pilots to take a deal in order to save their jobs,....... but it's not ok for PSA pilots to take that same deal in order to save THEIR jobs.

#3095

Slick111 , 04-10-2015 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

No I do not believe at all that **ENVOY** would be shut down had you said no. AAG would have realized that what they were asking for was not feasible and the proverbial bar would not have been lowered. Have you not heard of the laws of supply and demand? AAG did everything in their power to circumvent these basic laws through fear and intimidation, and they clearly succeeded. At least ***PSA*** envoy, express jet, and republic tried to take a stand,......

Fixed it for ya!

Do you really not see that the PSA and Envoy votes, threats, intimidations, and eventual acceptance of the deal MIRROR EACHOTHER?!??!

I've tried to spell it out for you in the simplest possible terms! Are you THAT dense? Or are you just THAT angry and trying to find someone else to blame for your lot in life?

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CarolinaAngler , 04-10-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

Yeah a 16 yr contract was voted in back in 2000 I believe. What about it?

You don't think that did any damage by precedent? Mainline contracts are usually 3-5 years and regionals are 5-10 now. I could be talking out of my you know what, but glass houses man. You say PSA damaged the industry, buy I say Eagle did no help by voting in an almost 2 decade contract.

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FirstClass , 04-10-2015 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaAngler

Wow, sounds like Envoy pilots are ruining the industry by voting in such a lengthy contract, even the ones that were just hired last year, yeah them too.

#3098

Valaryon , 04-10-2015 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

No I do not believe at all that PSA would be shut down had you said no. AAG would have realized that what they were asking for was not feasible and the proverbial bar would not have been lowered. Have you not heard of the laws of supply and demand? AAG did everything in their power to circumvent these basic laws through fear and intimidation, and they clearly succeeded. At least envoy, express jet, and republic tried to take a stand when cowards such as your pilot group bowed out at the first sign that things would not be easy.

I don't expect to change your mind about how your pilot group is perceived. Someone said it best before when describing PSA pilots as "those mother ****ers!" It's not without reason I can assure you that. Whether I was on property for the vote or not, I would absolutely be ashamed to tell others that I'm a pilot for PSA. I'm sure some of you actually say American Eagle, rather then PSA, lol.

looking back in history.. when have the airlines (regional's in this case) ever done what was smart. They may or may not have closed psa/envoy if a third no vote was given. But don't for a second think that if they didn't close them down that it was because of forward thinking. That is just not how the top thinking generally goes.

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jumpseat2024 , 04-10-2015 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

Ah yes, the regional churn. Well I know that many of those from envoy who went to PSA voted no here and then bailed to you guys. So that goes to show the character of that individual. Real winners for sure.

I voted no on the envoy contract and then came to PSA. How does it make me a bad person for getting tired of receiving nothing but bad news for almost 4 years and wanting to improve my QOL? I now live in base and only saw two days of reserve. I did my part in the "fight" but there comes a point where you have to do what's best for you. Being miserable at a dead end airline while commuting was not how I was going to move forward.

So with all do respect, your opinion means nothing to me.

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Da40Pilot , 04-10-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

What are you, 12? You're probably that PSA guy I saw on the bus in DCA that had a Joe Dirt beard, lol. Class act! Must be nice knowing everyone in the industry looks down on you guys.

Man, stop whining. You're just a pawn in a chess game you're not playing in - you always will be and so will the rest of us. Get over it and take charge of the situation instead of crying about it. We get it, you're upset and angry but like someone said, it's JUST BUSINESS. The choices people were forced to make are similar to you having to choose preference between what sibling would have to be thrown into a volcano and die.

My advice to you: GTFO of whatever regional you are in that is making you so miserable and start working for one that you'll at least have a future with. Right now is the best time to get on board with someone that's offering an ok contract with a short upgrade, get your hours and get out of dodge!

You're more emotional than a Disney princess right now. I'm sorry for what gappened to you but stop living in the past and just move on...