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Quote: Murder?
Come on they have 600 guys we've got 6x that. Of which how many want to be based on the east coast? LGB might take a hit. After the fences came down I can't imagine it'd really be that bad for anyone. There'll be some who jump from the island to MCO and vise verse but end of the day it'll be a Wash. more planes more bodies, annoying yes murder no.
Very true I agree with you. If this would happen I would put money on the fact we would place a large order for more Wide bodies. HA would not be murder and I think its a great option.
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Quote: Yeah I'm sure those Asia routes for HA yield a lot more money than anything in Europe. A merger with HA would be murder for B6 pilots. HA has 600 pilots with "career expectations" of being wide body captains. B6 pilots, not so much.
It's not so much about the airplanes they have currently. They already have a maintenance program, training program, spare parts, etc. Buying more airplanes would not be a problem.

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I can't see HA as a realistic partner unless JB plans on operating them as a separate entity. We are an east coast airline, HA is a Pacific airline. Neither of us have much focus on the west coast. The networks don't overlap, and barely even touch.

B6+F9 would fit together better and offer more synergy (Wall Street just got a boner). In 3-5yrs we could merge with AS, then another 3-5yrs buy/merge with HA for Pacific expansion.
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Go look at consumer affairs for F9. It's an atrocious operation. EVERYTHING is outsourced to a third party. At least at our outstations we have our own gate agents, excuse me AO. Not sure how you integrate with such a sh^t sandwich.
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Quote: Go look at consumer affairs for F9. It's an atrocious operation. EVERYTHING is outsourced to a third party. At least at our outstations we have our own gate agents, excuse me AO. Not sure how you integrate with such a sh^t sandwich.

Slowly and surely, erase and replace. Just like SWA did with AT. Everyone must join the cult.
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Quote: Slowly and surely, erase and replace. Just like SWA did with AT. Everyone must join the cult.
Exactly all the more reason to do away with it
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Quote: Exactly all the more reason to do away with it
The cult? HA!

you will drink the juice... driiiiiiink it! resistance is futile.
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Quote: Go look at consumer affairs for F9. It's an atrocious operation. EVERYTHING is outsourced to a third party. At least at our outstations we have our own gate agents, excuse me AO. Not sure how you integrate with such a sh^t sandwich.
Our Caribbean stations are almost entirely third party with the exception of SJU, I believe. They mostly do a pretty good job. I bet if we merged and then offered jobs to the several hundred former F9 "AO" peeps that Indigo axed we could get a decent amount to comeback and ease out the Menzies/Swissport/whomever.
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Quote: Our Caribbean stations are almost entirely third party with the exception of SJU, I believe. They mostly do a pretty good job. I bet if we merged and then offered jobs to the several hundred former F9 "AO" peeps that Indigo axed we could get a decent amount to comeback and ease out the Menzies/Swissport/whomever.
HPN is another... I know there's more. We farm out to the best of the best.

Nothing like being 15-20 early and having the help clean the lav and the front galley while the pax are deplaning... have a nii... god.. what.. can we wait a second please?

there's about 12'sq in the front of the 190. NOT enough for 3 people to stand. GTFO of my plane until the people are gone.
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For some reason I'm thinking that HPN requires all the AO/GO etc to be county or airport employees. I think it's the same for all the airlines there. IOW we don't have a choice as to whether or not to outsource or in-house our affairs there. Anyone? Bueller?

Wondering if it's the same/similar for certain Caribbean destinations as well.
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