I am not a recruiter so I don't havea clue what our future classes look like, but it seems like we aren't having any trouble filling them to the same level we have for what seems like at least a year. though you may be right about prolonging the negotiations, like i said i don't have a clue what the future classes look like. hard to tell at this point.

The issue at the WOs isn’t new hires. It’s eligile (and willing) FOs. PSA put a band-aid fix on the problem but the final solution is better CA pay and work rules.

It all comes down to whether you still believe in what AA has said it wants to see for the WOs. If they still intend for growth at the WOs and for the flying to continue to come back in house then they won’t have a choice but to offer better pay and work rules.

I’m not embarrassed. I don’t work for the company that undercut the other regionals when they were trying to hold their ground against cuts, took an entire fleet from one, as well as orders, and then had the stones to go to that company and try to lure their pilots over.

PSA’s actions are well known, and while not scabs in definition, they’re scabs in spirit.

Dilly Dilly

Yea I mean, every regional has reason to dislike another regional if you go back far enough. I’m not rationalizing the vote. It was around 5 years ago now and I wasn’t even on property then. I probably would have gone to Envoy if they had kept the MIA base open when I was looking at regionals. I probably would have gone to Piedmont if it wouldn’t have meant a 2-leg commute to some crap outstation. So I decided on PSA for the easy commute and the promises of the SAP (which by the way has been absolutely phenomenal for mine and my families’ QOL and nothing you ever say will make me regret my decision based on that fact alone). A couple points of contention worth mentioning however...
1) Many on property at PSA at the time of that vote firmly believed those 900s were coming to PSA regardless of the contract passing and voted no. The vote was pretty close and probably 90% of the yes voters aren’t even here anymore. Blaming former (and current) PSA pilots who were a mom n’ pop pilot group of less than 500 pilots for keeping food on their families’ tables is absurd. Parker doesn’t mess around. He would have shut PSA down fast. He knew where to apply pressure and he did it.
2) The contract language that was voted on gave PSA pilots the SAP and the critical pay/scheduling language made our pilots some of the highest paid in the industry for a brief time. Company won that in arbitration however.
3) PSA didn’t take anything from Envoy. American management found itself at the helm of a multi-billion dollar corporation that happened to have one regional flying a mixed fleet. To them, that doesn’t make much sense from a financial standpoint. Mergers are always messy. This one was actually pretty tame all things considered.
4) PSA Pilots had absolutely nothing to do with anyone trying to lure anyone else’s pilots.

Based on your comments you’re either a not so clever troll or extremely obtuse. Or perhaps you lack understanding and only believe what you’re told.

And out of curiosity, how long have you been with Envoy?

Is there still a 10k retention bonus each year for new f/o’s?

Not quite "each year", but the last class was told by tge union that the FO retention bonuses are still in place and the CA bonuses have expired

Maybe. But we don't do any flying there now and no one even knows the details of Compass' contract. Heck no one even knows when it actually expires as I constantly see different dates being thrown around. It's a baseless rumor right now.

As a native of this industry for almost two decades, I have observed what has transpired and who sat by and let it happen. 9/11, age 65, SARS, the global economic downturn, all contributed to hardships at the airlines. But even with those hardships airlines took a stand. Comair went on strike in March of 2001 to get a better contract and to make a stand. All of the regionals applauded them.

Mesa created Freedom to get around scope. Trans States created GoJet for the same thing. Pilots have time and time again shown themselves to put self-interest above the collective good. PSA did that. You can call me obtuse; you can call me a troll. It is well documented that Express Jet, Air Wisconsin, Envoy and others were trying to hold the line together, and were sold out. There are no if's and's or but's about it. You can quickly search and educate yourself on the 97 aircraft that were to be allocated to other airlines.

So think what you want, call me what you want. You knowingly entered into a system where your predecessors helped slit the throats of others and continue to reap the benefits.

ORF is an easy transition fleet planning wise for the AA folks. Replace AWAC with PSA 1:1 on equipment routes and Manning since the AWAC max facility is being taken over by PSA.

The secondary benefit is the military (RTP and direct hire) recruitment as a result of ORF being a major military concentration point.