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#9981
So you are saying that management is not being honest with the pilots? Are they just using unethical tactics in order to try to persuade the pilots to vote yes? Would they negotiate a pay raise and then park a fleet? Are they offering a profit sharing plan knowing there won't be any profits?
You have just defined the very essence of the SKYW experience. Corporate is like the snake pit in an Indiana Jones movie.
#9982
The $20K bonus is not part of the pay package, and I always understood that clearly. I think it's a mechanism to...
1) Allow the company to incentivize retention if needed
2) Ensure that the whole pilot group gets treated fairly, ie no targeted bonuses at certain fleets/longevity demographics.
So it's a not a promise or potential bonus, it's just a statement that everybody gets the same bonus if it comes to that.
1) Allow the company to incentivize retention if needed
2) Ensure that the whole pilot group gets treated fairly, ie no targeted bonuses at certain fleets/longevity demographics.
So it's a not a promise or potential bonus, it's just a statement that everybody gets the same bonus if it comes to that.
#9983
#9984
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 613
The $20K bonus is not part of the pay package, and I always understood that clearly. I think it's a mechanism to...
1) Allow the company to incentivize retention if needed
2) Ensure that the whole pilot group gets treated fairly, ie no targeted bonuses at certain fleets/longevity demographics.
So it's a not a promise or potential bonus, it's just a statement that everybody gets the same bonus if it comes to that.
1) Allow the company to incentivize retention if needed
2) Ensure that the whole pilot group gets treated fairly, ie no targeted bonuses at certain fleets/longevity demographics.
So it's a not a promise or potential bonus, it's just a statement that everybody gets the same bonus if it comes to that.
#9985
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 613
The "future" bonus money is in there because you lose leverage if management ever goes through with it. It probably is a carrot as well but having in there when they probably don't need it right away only gives away leverage. If that language wasn't in the pay package and it passed, later on if they wanted to give out bonuses, they would have less leverage because you would know they feel they need it.
Anyway, didnt they say one of the other times you guys were voting on a a pay package that they will "looking" into CS abuse? And shouldn't you only be picking up from posted pairings anyway?
Anyway, didnt they say one of the other times you guys were voting on a a pay package that they will "looking" into CS abuse? And shouldn't you only be picking up from posted pairings anyway?
Last time I asked for anything was to move my 4 day trip to start one day earlier. There was another 4 day that I would have been able to do one last trip with a friend before they moved on. Called CS and they told me I couldn't trade because we were below reserve minimums that day. We had 4-6 reserves every day of the month and the minimum was 20 something. When I informed them they were below minimum everyday of the month, they gave me some story about how my trip would be too hard to break up if they needed to because it didn't come back to base like the other one. Good to know. At least I was reminded why I never talk to them and now I won't feel as bad about not answering my phone over the next couple months.
#9986
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: RJ Captain
Posts: 1,173
The $20K bonus is not part of the pay package, and I always understood that clearly. I think it's a mechanism to...
1) Allow the company to incentivize retention if needed
2) Ensure that the whole pilot group gets treated fairly, ie no targeted bonuses at certain fleets/longevity demographics.
So it's a not a promise or potential bonus, it's just a statement that everybody gets the same bonus if it comes to that.
1) Allow the company to incentivize retention if needed
2) Ensure that the whole pilot group gets treated fairly, ie no targeted bonuses at certain fleets/longevity demographics.
So it's a not a promise or potential bonus, it's just a statement that everybody gets the same bonus if it comes to that.
#9987
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Skywest
Except for that you specifically said that management would not fork out $70M. Not once did you ever say anything about maximum amount. But regardless, in essence, they are lying or misleading. Which is it if they aren't going to ever pay out the maximum, as you now say?
The $20K bonus is not part of the pay package, and I always understood that clearly. I think it's a mechanism to...
1) Allow the company to incentivize retention if needed
2) Ensure that the whole pilot group gets treated fairly, ie no targeted bonuses at certain fleets/longevity demographics.
So it's a not a promise or potential bonus, it's just a statement that everybody gets the same bonus if it comes to that.
1) Allow the company to incentivize retention if needed
2) Ensure that the whole pilot group gets treated fairly, ie no targeted bonuses at certain fleets/longevity demographics.
So it's a not a promise or potential bonus, it's just a statement that everybody gets the same bonus if it comes to that.
They can do that without including it in the pay package. When the time comes, they can pay out the bonus, certainly the new hire bonuses. But you lose a whole lot of leverage anytime you negotiate contingencies ahead of time. Which is ok but at least get a little something out of doing them the favor.
#9988
"We are pleased to announce the long awaited ERJ Denver domicile September 1, 2015. As we continue to grow the ERJ fleet for United Express, Denver ERJ will be staffed with 7 CP / 7 FO positions."
- T.G.
- T.G.
#9989
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 613
I'm also curious to see how the Q1 earnings call will effect the voting, if at all. This industry is full of pilots willing to sell other pilots down the river for a few bucks. This may be the first time ever that pilots have the opportunity to sell themselves down the river, which is what year 1 pilots will do to themselves by voting yes.
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