Profit sharing for 2019
11-14-2019, 07:47 AM
#171
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
After 9/11, every airline management took EVERYTHING (read “all”) in a once in a lifetime orgy of slash and burn pay and benefits, now it’s payback time.
We've been patient with the pace of contract negotiations. I imagine that January with no pay raise will 'trigger' a lot of people.
11-14-2019, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Post of the day.
We've been patient with the pace of contract negotiations. I imagine that January with no pay raise will 'trigger' a lot of people.
We've been patient with the pace of contract negotiations. I imagine that January with no pay raise will 'trigger' a lot of people.
11-14-2019, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Day? Post of the year! Pilots lost everything, pensions, employee stock, a decade of lost wages, etc while mgmt bailed out with billions. It’s well past time to take it all back.
11-14-2019, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
Some of what has been lost, such as the pensions are just gone, and like virginity, they are gone forever. There is no taking it back. I’d like nothing more than to knock the ball out of the park with this contract, but we need to be realistic. Those thinking that we take it all back or expect the group to get triggered in January should be prepared to be disappointed. No noticeable change will occur, and we are not going to get everything that we want while giving nothing up in return. My guess is that we end up protecting the key issues like scope and make some improvements in work rules along with what amounts to a cost of living increase in our rates. The airlines took full advantage of 9/11, and we live in a different world now. Recovering what we can will be a long process.
11-14-2019, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Post of the day.
We've been patient with the pace of contract negotiations. I imagine that January with no pay raise will 'trigger' a lot of people.
We've been patient with the pace of contract negotiations. I imagine that January with no pay raise will 'trigger' a lot of people.
11-14-2019, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
Some of what has been lost, such as the pensions are just gone, and like virginity, they are gone forever. There is no taking it back. I’d like nothing more than to knock the ball out of the park with this contract, but we need to be realistic. Those thinking that we take it all back or expect the group to get triggered in January should be prepared to be disappointed. No noticeable change will occur, and we are not going to get everything that we want while giving nothing up in return. My guess is that we end up protecting the key issues like scope and make some improvements in work rules along with what amounts to a cost of living increase in our rates. The airlines took full advantage of 9/11, and we live in a different world now. Recovering what we can will be a long process.
11-14-2019, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
So eighteen years isn’t long enough? This company is making BILLIONS, that’s BILLIONS with a “B,” I’m not buying “it’s too expensive.” Recouping a distressed pension fund may be a reach but drastically improving our current pension is not. There is a laundry list of penny ante **** they took, because they could, that we STILL don’t have.
11-14-2019, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mmm123
Sure wish it was true about the trigger Andy but from what I read here from people I doubt anything will get this group going. Just read many of these people who are happy as it is. They are not willing to try to get anything back at all.
11-14-2019, 12:01 PM
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Well, there’s a timely update from the negotiating committee, came out today.
"Our Terms - Our Timeline. Scope is too important to rush, and over-eagerness to close a deal is not in our long-term interest. The UPA is still working well for us, and unlike past negotiations where we were cornered, we do not have to accede to the Company's timeline. Today, we have one of the strongest contracts in the industry and, while there is always room for improvement, none of the improvements we are seeking surpass the importance of first protecting ourselves from having our jobs outsourced."
- "still working well for us"
- "one of the strongest contracts"
- "room for improvement"
"Our Terms - Our Timeline. Scope is too important to rush, and over-eagerness to close a deal is not in our long-term interest. The UPA is still working well for us, and unlike past negotiations where we were cornered, we do not have to accede to the Company's timeline. Today, we have one of the strongest contracts in the industry and, while there is always room for improvement, none of the improvements we are seeking surpass the importance of first protecting ourselves from having our jobs outsourced."
- "still working well for us"
- "one of the strongest contracts"
- "room for improvement"
11-14-2019, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
I’m not saying that we tuck tail and sign the first thing that comes along, but people who expect to get everything back will be disappointed. This is the first time in a long time where we are under no pressure to give concessions, and we shouldn’t, but don’t expect a miracle. There was too much taken or given away in the past to recover in one contract.
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