Glory days

 

Post merger hire here:

Looking at APC rates, our 764 rate is higher than Delta’s. Our 777/787 hourly is on par or slightly higher than at Delta and American. Don’t we want as many airframes as possible paying top rate?

 

Not exactly true. A few facts. There was no CAL negotiating committee. There was a joint negotiating committee (JNC) made up of three LCAL pilots and three LUAL pilots.

The JNC as a whole made the decision to decide what rates to apply to the 767-300. This was totally separate and well after the LCAL MEC played the pay banding card. I’m not going there, the pay banding card was played by the CAL MEC for right or wrong reasons. It can be debated till the end of time with both sides making arguments for and against. We need to get over it and move forward as 13,000 plus unified United pilots.

But the 767-300 rates were negotiated far down the road from the pay banding fiasco well into the negotiating end game when the JNC felt (right or wrong) they ran out of negotiating leverage. At the time management wanted 787’s (especially the 800 which at the time had we had significantly more orders then the 900’s) to be much lower then the top pay category. The JNC wanted all 787’s to be in the top widebody category. Additionally the company was parking all LCAL 767-200’s and publicly stated only 14 of the 35 LUAL 767-300’s were staying. I know time and hindsight has proved differently.

In the end the JNC traded a much lower 767-300 rates (again that decision for right or wrong can be debated forever) for all 787’s to go into the top pay catagory.

Above is how I understand everting went down from several conversations with the JNC both LCAL & LUAL committee members.

We need to get over this history, no matter which side you are on, it happened and it’s over. Again we need to move forward as 13,000 plus unified United pilots.

Lastly, not sure if all are aware of this. The current UAL MEC NC Chairman is a former member of the JNC from the LCAL side. Obviously our MEC has put the past behind them and is unified on our current NC chairman.

 

Big picture.. Reality based, not a bunch of bloviation on APC. In what world, operationally speaking has anybody not “gotten over it”? That was a beautiful and heartfelt oration, but absolutely preaching to the choir and in an empty hall.

The meaningless back and forth here on APC has nothing to do with reality on the line. But thank you for taking the time to express your opinion anyway.

 

Can't stand the bloviation bull****. Is that a real word? Good post Boeing.

 

My source was all six of the JNC members. It’s not my opinion, it’s what they told me as to how the 767-300 pay rates were negotiated.

 

And thank you for the good laugh! LOL

What's that saying about opening your mouth and removing all doubt...

 

Glad to be of service.

 

that's how I understand it as well.

good scoop and poop.


But, the 767 300 pay rate is still bohica.

The story the union kept telling everyone was the 767 300 is going away, so we didn't put much emphasis on that. No need to go and negotiate a rate for something that won't be here.

We've got a good rate for the A 380 though, so we got that going for us.

Seriously, the 767 300 pilots had better get some love on this next cba. And we better get some make up - get well love too.

 

Being that our rates are right in line with AA and DAL, I wouldn’t expect a huge pay bump, much less make up luvin. For right or wrong, we agreed to these rates. I’d love to be pleasantly surprised though.