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Old 11-09-2014 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel1030
On the pilot side new hires at AA don't receive the 401k contribution until year 2 compared to new hires at Airways who get it for the start. Jacked up as well! These kind of issues need to be worked out
It will get worked out but that's completely different than what Saabs talking about, he's saying the FA's JCBA has two separate 401K contributions which isn't possible. I've looked it over and have not seen what this FAs claiming. She obviously took someone else’s ignorance and ran with it then after spilling her ignorance to Saabs he too fell victim. These FAs are idiots, they’re all low information voters.........
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Old 11-09-2014 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Route66
The pilots broke their own unions. Deal with it.
So do I understand that you are saying that Glass is NOT a union buster? Really? Can you present your theory in detail? Tell us all how much Glass has done for us
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Old 11-10-2014 | 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by justjack
So do I understand that you are saying that Glass is NOT a union buster? Really? Can you present your theory in detail? Tell us all how much Glass has done for us
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Glass negotiates for the company. The unions "bust" their own unions. The East/West/TWA/APA seniority issue is ALL UNION. Here at the New American its everyone for themselves.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Not a surprising statement coming from someone who isn't a pilot.

***WARNING***

Folks, beware what has now started to occur - certain representatives of managements interests have begun to position themselves on this forum to influence AA pilots on a potential upcoming TA vote (should it come to that). Union busting and pilot manipulation tactics are part of the strategy.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Not a surprising statement coming from someone who isn't a pilot.

***WARNING***

Folks, beware what has now started to occur - certain representatives of managements interests have begun to position themselves on this forum to influence AA pilots on a potential upcoming TA vote (should it come to that). Union busting and pilot manipulation tactics are part of the strategy.
Oh, BTW, the union has been busted since deregulation. Folks, the only influence anyone is affected by is the rank and file union who believe the APA has YOURE back. The union serves at the convenience of the company and the company knows it's. I don't represent management, I represent REALITY.

I'm not new to this forum, I just decided to jump in after all these years to give you pilots a reality check. Scope is done and if you disagree that's great. However, the guys at Envoy are chumps for taking one for the gipper (ALPA/APA). Do you think you'll get a reward job at Herndon or Dallas for standing up and saying no to the ones who have the leverage? You just may REREAD flying the line vol. I & II. Maybe you can't read.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotlbs
Cool thanks for the link. I don't see anything about 401k contributions in that. Am I missing it somewhere or do they not receive any?
3. For pay received from DOS through December 31, 2018, Flight Attendants on the American Airlines System Seniority List as of April 12, 2012 (“2012 Seniority List Flight Attendants”) shall receive the following Company Contributions for pay received each payment date during the period:
a. 2012 Seniority List Flight Attendants under 40 years old – 5.5% of their Eligible Compensation
b. 2012 Seniority List Flight Attendants 40-49 years old – 6.75% of their Eligible Compensation
c. 2012 Seniority List Flight Attendants 50 years old and older – 9.9% of their Eligible Compensation
d. 2012 Seniority List Flight Attendant’s age for the purpose of determining Company Contributions during the period January 1, 2014 through December 31, 2018 shall be determined as of her/his birthday immediately preceding the date the Eligible Compensation is received.
e. For pay received on or after January 1, 2019, 2012 Seniority List Flight Attendants shall receive for each payment date:
i. Company Contributions in an amount equal to 3% of their Eligible Compensation, plus, 26-6
ii. Employer Matching Contributions in an amount equal to 100% of a 2012 Seniority List Flight Attendant’s Employee Before-tax Contributions and Employee Designated Roth Contributions up to a maximum Employer Matching Contribution equal to 2.5% of their Eligible Compensation;
iii. however, under no circumstance will the total amount contributed by the Company exceed 5.5% of the 2012 Seniority List Flight Attendant’s Eligible Compensation determined on a year-to-date basis.
4. For pay received after DOS, eligible Flight Attendants who are not 2012 Seniority List Flight Attendants shall receive the following Company Contributions for pay received each payment date:
a. Company Non-Elective Contributions in an amount equal to 3% of the Flight Attendant’s Eligible Compensation, plus,
b. Employer Matching Contributions in an amount equal to 100% of the Flight Attendant’s Employee Before-tax Contributions and Employee Designated Roth Contributions up to a maximum Employer Matching Contribution equal to 2.5% of the Eligible Compensation;
c. however, under no circumstance will the total amount contributed by the Company exceed 5.5% of the Flight Attendant’s Eligible Compensation determined on a year-to-date basis.
5. The Company reserves the right to amend the $uper $aver Plan and ESP at the Company’s sole discretion. For avoidance of doubt, the Company will also retain the right to amend any provision in the $uper $aver Plan and ESP for the purpose of complying with applicable laws and regulations.
6. The $uper $aver Plan is not incorporated in this Agreement.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
Oh, BTW, the union has been busted since deregulation. Folks, the only influence anyone is affected by is the rank and file union who believe the APA has YOURE back. The union serves at the convenience of the company and the company knows it's. I don't represent management, I represent REALITY.

I'm not new to this forum, I just decided to jump in after all these years to give you pilots a reality check. Scope is done and if you disagree that's great. However, the guys at Envoy are chumps for taking one for the gipper (ALPA/APA). Do you think you'll get a reward job at Herndon or Dallas for standing up and saying no to the ones who have the leverage? You just may REREAD flying the line vol. I & II. Maybe you can't read.
"You" pilots ?

I can read just fine and I read you loud and clear. Any pilot here who does anything more from a consideration standpoint then let your comments go in one ear and out the other is a fool. Your credibility was lost in your first post.

Tell Jerry he will have to get another stooge to do his business here. I trust that person won't fail as miserably as you did.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
"You" pilots ?

I can read just fine and I read you loud and clear. Any pilot here who does anything more from a consideration standpoint then let your comments go in one ear and out the other is a fool. Your credibility was lost in your first post.

Tell Jerry he will have to get another stooge to do his business here. I trust that person won't fail as miserably as you did.
I stand corrected: ALL PILOTS. Talk about hypocrite: Your a fool if you let my comments go in one ear and out the other yet I HAVE NO CREDIBILITY? I don't HAVE to tell Jerry ANYTHING. Your the stooge because you continue to point fingers at everybody BUT yourselves.

You guys on these forums b---h and complain on how abused and underpaid you are yet ALPA and APA continue to forget the past and keep doing the same thing they always have.

Look, if the unions are EVER going to make progress in their negotiations with the company the "craft of class" of all Air Carriers are going to have to unite as ONE and to control their product supply themselves. But that door of opportunity has closed years ago.

Thats the evolutionary truth and you can bash me all you want...but the truth is still the truth.
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Old 11-10-2014 | 05:04 AM
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Old 11-10-2014 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
I stand corrected: ALL PILOTS. Talk about hypocrite: Your a fool if you let my comments go in one ear and out the other yet I HAVE NO CREDIBILITY? I don't HAVE to tell Jerry ANYTHING. Your the stooge because you continue to point fingers at everybody BUT yourselves.

You guys on these forums b---h and complain on how abused and underpaid you are yet ALPA and APA continue to forget the past and keep doing the same thing they always have.

Look, if the unions are EVER going to make progress in their negotiations with the company the "craft of class" of all Air Carriers are going to have to unite as ONE and to control their product supply themselves. But that door of opportunity has closed years ago.

Thats the evolutionary truth and you can bash me all you want...but the truth is still the truth.
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